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A-RAF2019

3 years ago

SUPER HIND: Please, nerf! Absurd caught on VIDEO

DICE!

Hinds, Wildcats and TORs are the pinnacle of BS! DICE, you gotta work on vehicle balance.

Can you fix this once and for all? This is ridiculous. Watch the video. What a pwnage!

Hinds are flying fortresses stronger than attack helicopters. When you nerfed repairs, you did not work on the root cause (although the nerf was welcome on tanks/CAV brawler).

Root causes:

1. The hind is too fast.

2. The lift is too strong and the Hinds will not lose altitude even when chasing other attack helicopters, supposedly faster. The resulting vector between 45 degrees up (resulting vector between lift and horizontal speed forward, 0 and 90 is 45 deg), and 90 degrees down (the weight) with 0 degrees (horizontal forward) should not be a straight flight forward because of the huge size of that helicopter. Your physics don't take into consideration the extreme weight of the vehicle. As shown in the video below, the Hind is capable of a FAST and perfectly horizontal flight at a full speed faster than the stealth helicopter, as fast as it diving. The video shows the stealth helicopter losing altitude to run away from said "transport helicopter", while it should be able to flee, unless the Hind trades altitude for horizontal speed.

3. The miniguns hit too far, the spread is minimal, and the overheating recovery is too fast, so 2 miniguns won't give any break to those running away from the Hind. There is no relief, no gap to start healing. It is a non stop bullet shower.

4. It's health is too high.

Therefore, the Hind has room for balance improvements in basically everything. You made no significant changes to these vehicles since launch, except when you nerfed the 50mm, but then you recently increased the "clip" size from 8 to 10, which was not needed for this vehicle.

The Hind should be a TRANSPORT helicopter. It should not be chasing other helicopters and tanks, and it should be running away from a Wildcat (IT DIDN'T GIVE A DAMN, WATCH THE VIDEO). The Hind should take a defensive stance once in a while, and not shred other attack helicopters and jets, as it is not it's job. When in trouble vs another helicopter, the Hind should seek refuge over his team's Wildcat, or take advantage of it's large health bar to run away from helicopters while it can be repaired. It should RESIST fire from attack helis, and find the right distance to fight back, chip away some damage in self defense, NOT obliterate the opponent.

I.e.: The Hind should have a more defined role and be FORCED TO TEAM PLAY. Despite being a 6-seater, it is still a transport vehicle which should not be self sufficient and double down as an attack helicopter. Finally it is much stronger than the Condor. The spot where the Condor is now is the spot where the Hind should be as well, for balance.

WATCH THE ABSURD IN THIS VIDEO:

No teamwork was able to take on these guys. Trust me, the score was 0 k, 0d, 68 assists for the pilot (Conquest 64), and the three people repairing got ranked well, one of them was placed second with hundreds of support points.

Statistically, with 68 kills (CQ 64), this vehicle alone wiped the whole team (32) twice and a bit over, including me, an attack vehicle. The effect is crippling. The score is pretty good evidence.

It would not be a problem if the Hind was an actual TRANSPORT helicopter. In this match, we basically had no vehicles as their vehicles free to advance flags while we got flanked, destroyed, emasculated, despite doing our homework. At a point, their wildcat was at B1 shooting down everything that spawned. From B1, on top of a hill, all our vehicles got spawn trapped.

Although I think the Wildcat could be doing a better job for our side and maybe we could at least breath, this video shows the Hind CHASING AND OUTPERFORMING THREE ATTACK VEHICLES FOCUSING EXCLUSIVELY ON IT, meaning, the Hind had to defend itself and run away, but instead it faced all three of us, giving zero fuchsias. Whilst the face off was a 6 vs 3, i.e.: two engineers and three gunners + 1 pilot (6 players) in the Hind, versus 3 players (I don't think anyone else was in the wildcat), and at a point, four or five (a tank with a gunner), i.e., Hind=6 versus Others=4 or 3, the Hind is still ONLY one vehicle, and it was a TRANSPORT VEHICLE.

DICE, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND???

CLEARLY, THE HIND IT IS NOT PLAYING ITS TRANSPORT ROLE.

Link:

https://youtu.be/0CG4C9LRMjE

You should balance vehicles based on it's maximum potential, not buffing them because new players don't realize it's potential (as when they do, this is what happens).

The wildcats and TORs , which could have helped, are another issue for another day.

LASTLY: CAN YOU, PLEASE, MAKE THE FXM AND AA-IR MISSILES HIT SOMETHING??? THREE OUT OF SEVEN (3/7) WERE COMPLETELY USELESS!

TL;DR: Watch the video.

*edited by moderator for profanity*

discussion

43 Replies

ATFGunr
Legend
3 years ago
@A-RAF2019 You’re not wrong, the Hind is super powered and when fully crewed by people doing their jobs, it’s incredible. It should not be incredible. A small helo should be able to out climb it where it can bring its weapons to bear. I think you needed more elevation to have a better chance. I didn’t see much fire on it from the Wildcat, buddy didn’t help you at all. Probably shooting at infantry for the easy kills. The dummy rockets are a known glitch right now, and they need to prioritize it. Most will agree the Hind needs a major nerf still, it’s been OP over a year now.
Ironhead841
Hero
3 years ago
@ATFGunr
I don't think it will ever get nerfed, it's kinda obvious these Devs have some sort of a weird fetish for the Hind by now, isn't it?
ATFGunr
Legend
3 years ago
@Ironhead841🤣🤣🤣 yah now I see it. Maybe one of the devs fancies himself (or herself) a pilot lol.
sk1lld
Legend
3 years ago
I can't understand why DICE refuses to fix this. This is obviously a broken mechanic?
A-RAF2019
3 years ago
@ATFGunrI went on him from above, twice. When he noticed me, I took my step back to avoid the miniguns, as I always do to fight like the night bird, maximum lock on distance where they have the maximum dispersion and range is up to 300 m if I'm not mistaken.
Second time he chased me, I kept the distance and wanted to bring him to the wildcat.
I'd say that came straight out of the Battlefield manual. Perfect idea, teamwork, and execution (except the wildcat, but still, a transport helicopter).

I lost altitude flying backwards and he should too! That freaking monster should be a TRANSPORT helicopter.

I felt ashamed for not doing a better job, but you know what? The shame is on DICE. I fired FIVE (5!) rockets and hit only two!!! Like, come on! That thing doesn't even work, who wrote that spaghetti code?

Then we get patches like, they fixed the horn of a vehicle that kept blowing in a very rare and specific condition on Xbox in Asia between 4 and 9 PM on Thursdays... Something like that.
protoman23
3 years ago
@A-RAF2019 First of all, get rid of the 30mm cannon pods. The Heavy Machine gun pods are much better for air-to-air engagements. You're relying way too much on the AA missiles instead of applying pressure with your guns.

You lost the battle the moment you gave up your altitude advantage. Also if you had somebody in the gunner chair they could have kept using the EMP to stop the hind from firing all together, and provided extra DPS with the HMG.

So this looks like a skill issue more than anything.
A-RAF2019
3 years ago
Now, just try and imagine something like that vs the Condor.
It would never happen.
It is not only ridiculous. It is imbalanced. It is okay for maps to not be perfect mirrors for each faction, which may create some imbalance that is hard to fix at it may require placing assets, review battle design, test and so on...
But this is like just play with the health, speed... Like, the ten people there could do it.
At this rate, I don't trust the same people who made the hovercrafts climb up buildings and still couldn't fix the AA rockets will be able to make a good Battlefield 6 (or 7).
A-RAF2019
3 years ago
@protoman23I never gave my altitude advantage up. I defended myself from the miniguns.

The point was not fighting the Hind exclusively, that is why I had the 30 mm, to support infantry and cap to turn the game around, as I saw two steps ahead, and not the Hind as the one and only threat. If that was the case, I could sneak on him and use the TOW missile for big damage. The 30 mm were the reason why I relied on the Lock on rockets, which I did from the right distance, and that is obviously why I relied on that.

One thing the video doesn't show well is that I tried to kill the engineers repairing the Hind with the 30 mm, and that is something you cannot do with the HMG.

Anyway, if the Hind was an event, which in this case it was, like the big and final boss, sure, we could all hack and stick 8 AA rockets on it instead of the HMG, or I could go with the HMG.

But then what? What about the infantry? How do we win the game? It is not about me, I did not make the Hind my one and only target, it was just a video I happened to clip because the jet was doing God's work there, I played by the book with my setup of choice, and with the Wildcat (and the Tank for a bit), it should be enough (if programmers at Dice knew how to code, there is a 60%-70% or so chance the story could be different), so it seemed like this video shows that the Hind is OP. It was not a lack of teamwork. We are not talking about chosing the best weapons to fight a transport helicopter. We are talking about how the TRANSPORT helicopter outperforms three vehicles, one of them the anti air of choice. I could shoot popcorn or yell expletives at him. If I am the attack helicopter, with the jet and Wildcat, on my side, a transport helicopter should never do what it did. It is a design flaw they refuse to fix.

The whole point is: The Hind should not be an event. The next Hind would spawn in two minutes. The name of the game is not "Team vs Hind". Just look at the score and think about the rationale. Notice that we gotta cap some flags! Like, right now! As I said, their Wildcat was at B1 spawn trapping our vehicles. They abused the position because we had almost nothing. As soon as we got a flag, we lost it. 15 minutes like that, over and over. We needed to gain some ground, and I CANNOT chose the HMG over the 30 mm, which I could use to kill an engineer, the source of the abuse, and then kill some infantry.
But... our team has a Condor, and their team has a Hind. It is not balanced. It is a freaking damn transport helicopter! It doesn't work. It is ridiculous!

The game should not be like that.

I sure hope someone at DICE don't think I am just a whinny loser with a skill issue more than anything. It looks to me, since rockets were missed, that in this game where you climb buildings with Hovercrafts and you have Condors vs Hind, that the game has issues. Maybe it is just me... You can look around for other posts complaining about the Hind, or about the game itself. But thanks for trying to teach me which is the best weapon to kill a helicopter, which is in the description of the HMG.
ATFGunr
Legend
3 years ago
@A-RAF2019 The tactic of moving to the Wildcat should have been great, you couldn’t know he’d be a knob. Probably had the 57mm for anti vehicle and wasn’t even focussed on the air. Yes the Hind has too much HP. Yes its weapons are more than it needs to pop into a hot LZ drop a few grunts and bug out. Realistically it doesn’t need wrenchers and should lose them… but it’s a quick way to do a repair mission when we get them so I’m on the fence about that one lol. I also noticed that not a single AA rocket came up from the ground so no engineers had kit or interest. The stealth is slow to climb and even to turn, maybe not a great choice for dogfighting the Flying Fortress eh? I also saw at least three attack runs by the fast mover, and very little damage achieved. Since anti air is it’s primary purpose, it points again to the OP nature of the Hind.
AuMordum
Seasoned Hotshot
3 years ago
You give up the high ground because it can and will out climb up TDC vertically and at pitch. That's his point. He had a massive height advantage and had to give it up to evade the minigun, which on most maps with good gunners can tear anything up 3/4 of the map away, he had a jet, an AA and a stealth on him and still was bsaically at full health tanking all three enemy vehicles. That's bs, especially considering how hard every other aircraft got nerfed to hell.