Playing after this "change" makes me question Dice's ability to make decisions.Current changes make totally opposite of what they were meant to do -Noobs who can't hit their shots now can't hit their shots even more.Good players are still able to beam others at a 50-70 meter range even with currently bugged spread return times being DOUBLE the intended value. So after that has been fixed it will be even easier. Just tap tap tap away and enemies melt.Some guns seem to be bugged into oblivion - AC42 is totally useless now. It's one of those guns that must not be affected by spread, Same as other guns that have burst fire option, as well as single fire modes should always be dead accurate.RM68 for some mindblowing reason wasn't even affected by the nerf. Used it earlier today and went 87-11 on Breakaway, still beaming people up to 100 meters away.So now your balancing team will be having nightmares for the next 6 or so months.Noobs that will cry even more that they're being outclassed by good players/cheaters because they can't hit a shot and still getting beamed across the map.And in general, gunplay will go down from being decently enjoyable to being somewhere between BF4 and BF1 where every gun felt exactly the same and topped with BF1 level or gunplay clunkiness.Has anyone figured out why Dice are doing this? Maybe I just don't get something

@UP_LordPlumber DICE was maybe trying to artifically extend the TTK without really understanding what they are doing...i mean we have guns in the game that have TTK values below 300ms.fun fact the average human reaction speed is between 200-300ms...and people wonder how they die without beign able to react to it

@ATFGunr Well of course they don't have an idea from the start.But I was thinking they realized it and decided to keep changes to a minimum with certain weapons vehicles getting tweaked in each patch.But instead, they decided "Y 0 L 0" and went to destroy whatever was somewhat functioning in the game.

@X-Sunslayer-XTTK as it stands isn't actually much different compared to say BF3 or BF4 with min / max damage values being 22-25 max and 15-17 min.The problem is the lack of recoil and extended mags.BF4 also had crazy TTK weapons that left you no chance in CQC. UMP45, AS VAL, CZ 3A1, AEK-971, F2000 (Please add this in 2042)But all of those weapons had major drawbacks that could be overcome with skill or situational awareness.Either low ammo of 20-30 bullets with lengthy reload or very high recoil or in case of PWD / SMGs - high damage drop off.In 2042 you have 40-50 round mags with extremely low recoil allowing you to take on multiple targets at a time without considering your positioning and cover and accuracy.Whereas in BF3/4 you could actually catch a moment when an enemy is reloading to take your aim or re-position yourself for a push.

@UP_LordPlumber I agree, feels like this change came out of left field to me, I can't really recall a huge clamor asking for a change like this.And now they're talking about targeting LMGs next, yikes!

@Adamonic Its not going to help new players, quite the opposite.People who know the tap firing mechanic from BF3/BF4 will instantly have an advantage over everyone else.New players will be helplessly spraying and praying and wondering why they don't hit any shots, while experienced players will be able to tap fire and beam them at long range.

What is the point of accuracy nerf?

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X-Sunslayer-X
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@UP_LordPlumber DICE was maybe trying to artifically extend the TTK without really understanding what they are doing...
i mean we have guns in the game that have TTK values below 300ms.
fun fact the average human reaction speed is between 200-300ms...
and people wonder how they die without beign able to react to it
UP_LordPlumber
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@X-Sunslayer-X Well that is on the extreme end with K30 within 10 meter range.

They're trying to "force" people into CQ instead of fighting over long distances. TTK at 50+ meters is way higher than 300ms.
ATFGunr
Legend
3 years ago
@UP_LordPlumber This is the change that made you think Dice didn’t know what it’s doing? 🤣🤣 I’ve been thinking this since the beta and unfortunately had no reason to change my mind. The start of S3 was a high point then back down hill.
X-Sunslayer-X
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@UP_LordPlumber not just that basically every automatic weapon has a ~200ms TTK within 10m....
it gets even worse for ARs who never drop below 500ms... the TTK in this game is way too fast for the gameplay DICE is trying to get across. it promotes static gameplay especially for players who already struggle with the game since if they get the drop on someone pushing them and they sit in corners it doesn't take a college degree to understand why the average gameplay loop is beyond frustrating
UP_LordPlumber
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@ATFGunr Well of course they don't have an idea from the start.

But I was thinking they realized it and decided to keep changes to a minimum with certain weapons vehicles getting tweaked in each patch.

But instead, they decided "Y 0 L 0" and went to destroy whatever was somewhat functioning in the game.
ATFGunr
Legend
3 years ago
@UP_LordPlumber S5 is the biggest step backwards since release. Some players think S2 rollout was worse, but I think overall S5 has broken more than any other season. At least for me.
UP_LordPlumber
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@X-Sunslayer-XTTK as it stands isn't actually much different compared to say BF3 or BF4 with min / max damage values being 22-25 max and 15-17 min.

The problem is the lack of recoil and extended mags.

BF4 also had crazy TTK weapons that left you no chance in CQC. UMP45, AS VAL, CZ 3A1, AEK-971, F2000 (Please add this in 2042)

But all of those weapons had major drawbacks that could be overcome with skill or situational awareness.

Either low ammo of 20-30 bullets with lengthy reload or very high recoil or in case of PWD / SMGs - high damage drop off.

In 2042 you have 40-50 round mags with extremely low recoil allowing you to take on multiple targets at a time without considering your positioning and cover and accuracy.

Whereas in BF3/4 you could actually catch a moment when an enemy is reloading to take your aim or re-position yourself for a push.
Ironhead841
Hero
3 years ago
@UP_LordPlumber
I agree, feels like this change came out of left field to me, I can't really recall a huge clamor asking for a change like this.
And now they're talking about targeting LMGs next, yikes!
UP_LordPlumber
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Ironhead841 Exactly. And don't you worry, it gets worse. They've said LMGs and SMGs will be receiving even bigger accuracy nerf to force LMG players into pipod camping, and turning SMGs into trash tier weapons that can be removed from the game altogether.
Adamonic
3 years ago
This is just another thing to make it easier for new players. Since the spread is random, it is not like a better player will be more accurate at long range anymore. So it really evens the playing field. It is now to pray and spray, which new players are good at.

This is another change that no one asked for. The Devs are not BF Veterans, always remember that.