Cross play selection on PC?
Is there a reason the people on PC don't get an option to turn cross play off? The new goated aim assist on console makes me not even want to play right now. These guys are not missing. people sittin...
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Whilst I agree that there is a big portion of players who unfortunately used a Cronus - to which I can only assume they lack skill - MOST legitimate console players are at a disadvantage when playing against PC players. Those on PC can use their wrist and arm to control the recoil, flick the mouse to turn quickly etc. Whilst console players are stuck using a thumb/finger on the analogue stick. So yes, aim-assist is there to help console players have some advantage against PC players who have other advantages .eg FPS, reactions (what I mentioned above about flicking the mouse etc), and/or it's easier to cheat on PC.
As for the Crossplay... it goes both ways... whilst you might run into Cronus players on console (which again, is frustrating), there is usually a PC players who's blantly cheating with the likes of wall hacks etc.
One last observation, and I'm not trying to be that guy, but when you say... "if you think there are more cheaters on PC, then you're wrong". The answer is YES, yes there is... They're have been a handful of crossplay games that when I've turned off crossplay, I've seen a big drop in obvious cheaters. Yes, the odd Cronus user still appears unfortunately, but at least I'm not getting laser beamed across the map through several walls. As I said just an observation with my gaming experience.
A prime example of this would be CoD (which I know their anti-cheat is abysmal), but they banned something like 50k cheaters a while back, the same day 50k new accounts were made. More than likely on PC because you don't need a subscription like gamepass/gold/ps+. Furthermore on PC you can apperantly buy accounts that have "stealth" cheats. I've seen countless videos on YouTube where cheaters have told players that's what they do.
Im not disagreeing that PC has cheaters and alot of them. the cheats can be accessed easier via the PC platform. cheats in general are getting more and more common across all platforms not just physical devices such as the Cronus. my main issue with the game at the moment is how goated the aim assist was after the last update. i understand all of the pc to console issues. i started gaming on Xbox big a few years back and switched to pc from there. mainly because i hate giving away money for the monthly subscriptions that i could use to have a very nice pc over a very short period of time. I've been killed so many times lately by aim assist and if you look on you tube there are a lot of videos of pc players switching to controller to test the aim assist and you pretty much cant miss from what I've seen. yes mouse gives you more precise movement over controller but you don't even have to try on controller now when it pretty much follows the player automatically.
at launch this game was trash with cheaters and other aspects imo from the beta. the cheating is getting a lot better and the anti cheat seems to be working decent now. if we can fine tune the aim assist a little to get it closer to mkb now that would be nice. they went from decent aim assist to over done and super goated and we need to dial it back a little.
giving people the ability to choose who they want to play against via the controller to mkb option isn't hard for these people to do. the game already notices what inputs you use to play on. you can use mkb on PlayStation and even Xbox if you want. maybe not with the fine tuning via the software specific to the mouse or keyboard you use. I'm personally using a super cheap either Logitech mouse (30 bucks at Walmart) or a new (attack shark mouse 40 bucks on amazon). but i do run an expensive corsair K70 pro keyboard. but a lot of players are also using 500 dollar controllers with hall effect joysticks and super fast buttons with additional buttons for custom macros programed on pc to fine tune everything. there isn't a lot of difference in a controller like that vs a competitively priced mouse and keyboard. which in a sometimes very fast paced game like bf6 don't make a lot of difference unless you are sniping at 1000 meters
I appreciate you weren't disagreeing about the cheaters on PC. My comments were for those "claiming" there are more cheaters on console which isn't the case.
As we've established, yes there are Cronus users unfortunately... but as you pointed out, Battlefield is able to detect this and has since been banning players for using it. To my knowledge Cronus can also be used on PC given it is a peripheral device, so again, this paired with the cheats being more accessible on PC makes the claim of more cheaters being on console comical.
In my experience (from when I last played over a week ago*), it was the same as any other game .eg: CoD, Helldivers, GTA. For context I'm using a standard Dualshock 5 (PS5) controller. No extra buttons or paddles, and I've not really changed the settings. The only thing I changed was unrelated to aiming (Vehicle boost toggle).
* The reason I've not played lately is because there's a bug where your tank spins on its own 😂 I believe this is just on controller but I'm not 100% sure. I'm waiting for that and the defib to be fixed before I come back. Before anyone says, its not stick drift, it's an actual issue many have reported lol.
So yes, maybe aim-assist does need to be fine tuned slightly, but not so much that it puts console players back to a disadvantage.
One other thing to keep in mind... the streamers are out... which means so are all the "Meta" builds. So, is it 100% aim-assist? or is it a combination of things such as recent changes, weapon builds, and the input device your using. Eg: KnM, Standard Controller or a programmable Controller. Just highlighting it could be a combination of things which some people may not consider initially.
copy pasting from my conversation with ForgottenName25 G1ZMO16
Most of console players believe pc players are cheating when reality they just changed to controller on pc with better system latency. There is a lot of cheaters, but when pro players change to controller or system in general with a controller. You know that it's not a cheating issue, it's aim aissist issue.
I have met one cheater on bf6 after 200 hours into the game, just one.Edit: I also want to point out that majority of console players dont actually know how much system latency they actually have with console, bluetooth and non premium tv with 60hz, vsync for motion smoothness. You can get up to combined 100+ in system/display latency with an average console setup. I play on 11-13 in system latency, I have almost 10x faster system latency than most people on console. Here you have nvidia themselves talk about how latency works.
Link 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h69JR51pZbU
Link 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muvToLXJSksYou're right, many console players do not know that. However, I happen to work in IT, so I'm aware of the benefits PC has. I am also aware that cheats are much easier to come by on PC. For me, I can usually tell when someone's genuinely a good player or when they're cheating. Again I refer back to my previous comments and experience with gaming. Most cheaters I've encounters happen to be on... you guessed it PC! Unfortunately that's gaming today... sad little people who have no skill.
This can even extend to streamers and "pro-players"... there have been multiple times where they've been exposed for cheating. Whilst this is predominantly in the CoD community, the point remains.
Aim assist is one those, it's there to help console players because MnK provides faster reaction times (mouse can be moved with the wrist and arm - compared to a joystick which is a thumb/finger depending on how people hold the controller). If a PC player is using controller, then they're going to get that benefit of aim-assist plus all the benefits of being on PC. Which suprise surprise, a lot of "streamers" do this. The "issue" will always be present because of games/companies wanting to be accessible to all.
You can't penalise your average console player because a PC player is using a controller. That'll be like penalising PC players because the console players have less options when it comes to remapping your control settings.
There are pros/cons to both PC and console. It's been this way for years. The only real difference is that cross-play has become more popular in recent years, and cheaters have spiked across the board. This includes Cronus users on console, but again can be used on PC should they not want to install real cheats to try and avoid detection.
Edit - Also stop banging on about KD... its Battlefield not CoD or Apex etc... Some people play the objective or like to do a shift as engineer/medic. I got 82 revives, no kills and no deaths the last time I played the game. KD isn't everything. Furthermore, I've seen people reporting issues regarding their soldier/vehicle moving by themselves (and it's not stick drift) as I have experienced the same issue. So this seperate issue fights against aim-assist in the first place.
Yes, cheats are easier for pc players. As is a laptop right next to the console user that can download cheats on USB stick or go into amazon and buy cronus. Let me tell you this, if cronus spiked with 50k sells for some months on amazon when bo6 released and it still sells 4k units a month, you can guess how many cheaters there actually is on console/controller users.
The fact about KD part is that, if there are cheaters they likely will have very good KD. Since I bring it up because, I am making a comparision. If I have met 1 cheater at 200+ hours with high KD I should have better knowledge than average joe about who and who is not cheating. Also, BF6 has alot of desync issues. Since you work in IT I dont need to explain that part.We see average joes complaining on cheaters everyday also, if they were right and reported the person, they can actually prove it by giving confirmation mail from EA which they rarely do.
The fact that you can just pick up a controller and press LT + RT and the aim assist locks onto the player is a more of a benefit for the controller player than the mouse and keyboard. Even if mouse is easier to control recoil, majority of people on pc still cant do that. Because they are... wait for it... AVERAGE JOES. If average pc users go against average console users with 25% less recoil, with aim assist that follows, with attachments that makes everygun a laser, with higher movement speed, with better hip fire, with better ADS. Who do you think will win? Spoiler, not the MKB player, why do you think that people convert to controller? Isn't that obvious too you?
Anyway, I have tried both ways. I dont have to spend a fraction of my energy with controller as I have to do with MKB to achieve the same result, that is a huge issue.
PC games shouldn't have aim assist. There should be full controller support, but that doesn't mean giving anyone code to have less recoil or track enemies.
Crossplay is a problem because it lets developers and players adopt this attitude that it's okay to "level" the playing field by giving only one input assistance. Which is insane logic and nothing about that is fair.
Interesting you bring up system latency for Consoles. I die instantly to most Console players in both 2042 and BF6. My running theory is that the networking was designed to put PC players behind Console players a tick or two on the server. There is more latency on Consoles, a lot of them do use TVs, use wireless controllers, some on wifi, and yet they have what feels like sub 50ms reactions times? Or the other typical thing that happens is I take damage before I can even see their full character model.
It was just way too consistent in 2042 to not be built into the game somehow. BF6 feels a bit more fair, but the movement is slower and the aim assist has been tuned down a bit.
Here's the amount of assist that Dice was willing to acknowledge in 2042:
- Reduced recoil and spread by 30% (just like BF6)
- Slow down over target (BF6 as well)
- Sticky aim (BF6 as well. Dice lied about this one. "No rotational assist".)
- Rotational aim (The only difference between this and sticky, is this turns your character towards enemies rather than just your reticle. Functionally, they're the same in my book. 2042 was faster and it's not needed in BF6, nor beneficial, so not to be more fair, it's just not needed. Dice are little f'ing liars on this one.)
- Snap to target (At this point, are you even playing the game anymore?)
So from my perspective, it's not hard to believe Dice would be willing to make the networking more "fair" for Console players because they tend to have more latency. My only other theory is that Console players position aren't updated every tick, just every other or something like that to offset processing power. So PC players would be updating every tick, which is more demanding on their system, but Consoles would do much less. All I know from 1000's of hours in 2042, something felt way off, and it was too consistent to be a fluke. It was 100%, unequivocally built into the game. Dice can never defend this claim, because something is up. They did something. I dare anyone from Dice to refute this claim.
I totally agree with most, just aim assist is needed if crossplay is gonna be a thing. We need console players, because there isnt enough pc players to keep up old generations of games etc.
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