Cross play selection on PC?

G1ZMO16​ 

EDIT: Also wanted to point out that many games on consoles without crossplay are still active (FPS games). On pc most older games are dead, because of the low player base on pc.

1st point: I dont have the data for how many it was on pc vs console with cronus. What I can tell you is that a vast majority of people have consoles. In todays economy it's hard to maintain a good pc. The same cost of a 1k pc vs 1k ps5 pro (Going with Swedish prices). Most people opt for the console, 3.5k for a graphics card. If you want a good one you have to pay atleast 1k for the graphics card alone (talking about 5070 series, 5060 series cant even match ps5 performance). If you want a fast pc with low latency, you have to have esport lvl components, and those are not cheap. You can also track sales on consoles vs pc same with player base, there is just a vast majority on consoles. People use cronus for pc aswell yes, but since the majority plays on console and I cant possibly know who and when ppl use cronus. I can only go for... More players on console = higher chance of them using cronus than pc players.

2nd: I am employed, I go hit the gym after my 7-16 work, I cook, clean, take my dog out etc. Like any adult does, some people are just better than others and that's it nothing wrong about it either, because noone cares who has the most kd and not, even I know that and I am talking about KD alot. Just like men going to the gym wanting the ladies too look at them, but in reality it's the men competing or admiring hard work.

3rd: Yes, they can modify settings to make it harder for you to see if he is a cheater. Nothing I really can say about it except if they have a steam account you can see how old their account is etc, even if they are private. "maybe a smurf or maybe a cheater" Just report and let EA do their work.

4th: That is true, multiple ppl destroys the aim assist, I have been in that situation myself.

5th: I would say if it's MKB vs Controller with no attachments or latency issues. I would 100% believe that the average player on controller is gonna win. The thumbstick recoil control is insanely easy to master. You just hold down while it shoots since the pattern is always the same, based on ur attachments. 4-5 shots are needed to kill in bf6, recoil doesnt go out of control until half the mag. Even so, I never had issue with recoil on the controller, except for maybe very long ranges with carbines and assault rifles.

6th: No I have nothing against aim assist for console players, you cant play without it in competetive games vs pc users. What I am against is the aim assist with the 25% reduction. This lets you have a narrow spread also you dont have to force recoil attachments like MKB users have to. As long as aim assist isnt like COD, that is just straight aimbot.

7th: May differ between games, but the biggest con for consoles would be sniping. The biggest con for MKB is that they have to put more effort into actually getting kills than the controller on close/mid range. Though I agree on that PC players with controllers is unfair only if the person actually has a high end pc at the cost of 2.5-3k gaming pc. You cant achieve the best system latency without the best equipment.

8th: Same answer as my last, depends on peoples system and according to steam own statistic with that gpu most people actually buy, is a budget gpu. 1-2% have the top notch. So no, but also yes at the top 2%.

9th: In this case the desync in bf6 is because of crossplay. 

Console players don't want to play with pc players.

The fact DICE went out of their way to override the ability for PC players to disable crossplay via GstGameplay.CrossPlayEnable 0 in the files instead of just implementing what we want is absurd.

Consoles have the ability, why are we forced to play with console players?

PC games shouldn't have aim assist. There should be full controller support, but that doesn't mean giving anyone code to have less recoil or track enemies. 

Crossplay is a problem because it lets developers and players adopt this attitude that it's okay to "level" the playing field by giving only one input assistance. Which is insane logic and nothing about that is fair. 

Interesting you bring up system latency for Consoles. I die instantly to most Console players in both 2042 and BF6. My running theory is that the networking was designed to put PC players behind Console players a tick or two on the server. There is more latency on Consoles, a lot of them do use TVs, use wireless controllers, some on wifi, and yet they have what feels like sub 50ms reactions times? Or the other typical thing that happens is I take damage before I can even see their full character model.

It was just way too consistent in 2042 to not be built into the game somehow. BF6 feels a bit more fair, but the movement is slower and the aim assist has been tuned down a bit. 

Here's the amount of assist that Dice was willing to acknowledge in 2042:

• Reduced recoil and spread by 30% (just like BF6)
• Slow down over target (BF6 as well)
• Sticky aim (BF6 as well. Dice lied about this one. "No rotational assist".)
• Rotational aim (The only difference between this and sticky, is this turns your character towards enemies rather than just your reticle. Functionally, they're the same in my book. 2042 was faster and it's not needed in BF6, nor beneficial, so not to be more fair, it's just not needed. Dice are little f'ing liars on this one.)
• Snap to target (At this point, are you even playing the game anymore?)

So from my perspective, it's not hard to believe Dice would be willing to make the networking more "fair" for Console players because they tend to have more latency. My only other theory is that Console players position aren't updated every tick, just every other or something like that to offset processing power. So PC players would be updating every tick, which is more demanding on their system, but Consoles would do much less. All I know from 1000's of hours in 2042, something felt way off, and it was too consistent to be a fluke. It was 100%, unequivocally built into the game. Dice can never defend this claim, because something is up. They did something. I dare anyone from Dice to refute this claim.  

CptSnefot​

How many of those Cronus were explicitly used on console. As its a peripheral device it can be used on PC too. It doesnt matter if 50k were sold, what platforms were all of them they used on. You may find it'll be a mix of console and PC. What about third party modded controllers you can buy which suprise surprise, can be used on both console and PC. All we know is, they're out there and cheaters will cheat in some way or another.

Yes, the "average Joe" (AKA the employed) may complain and falsely accuse - but as I said this has always been a problem since, well multiplayer gaming. Im sure everyone has been guilty of it. (Myself included), it's only until you see the deathcam or your surroundings you get a good idea. When you play often enough (and I don't mean "streamer" or "pro-player" standards), it does become clear if they were better or if it indeed was cheating/exploiting. Otherwise the average player (who plays what an hour or two a day say) will go online after work, get stomped by someone who plays countless hours every day and think (this is ridiculous - they're cheating). In the heat of the moment, yes they may think it's true, but overtime they'll learn if it was in fact cheating... or if you just got outplayed. I got called a cheater the other day for shooting a guy in the back... even then, my aim was far from perfect, so I do have a good idea on this topic.

As for comments on KD... private profile? New accounts? Just two ways to mask your KD if you're cheating. Yes your statement of a high KD may indicate cheating is true, but equally a new account with stealth cheats (again commonly seen in CoD sadly) will show 0KD initially, and that's even if it's on public or have a unique name. The amount of times I've seen "Hostile Soldier" in CoD and they were blatantly cheating is ridiculous. Why do they use the same name, to make it harder to find and report.

What's obvious to me is... aim-assist is one of those. Sometimes it helps. Other times it doesn't. If you're in CQB or have multiple targets next to one another, you sometimes find yourself fighting aim-assist to shoot at the target you want too, not at what its trying to lock onto. Given you've tested this, surely you'd have noticed this from time to time. Otherwise if it's your average 1v1 situation in some back alley, then yes it usually helps. Again, in my experience this has been encountered not only in Battlefield, but the likes of CoD, Ready Or Not, Helldivers, GTA. Camera breaking can effect (pretty much disable aim-assist for a moment)... it's why you see all these cod players sliding round corners at 20mph.

As I also mentioned earlier on in the chain... is it 100% aim-assist or is it a combination such as weapon build, latency and aim-assist.

Let's say for arguments sake aim-assist wasn't a thing... Who would win then? PC, pretty obvious no? They have better performance, more programmable input settings, reaction times (again in terms of mouse moving). So it would be the flip side to this situation... "PC needs nerfing because the performance is better, reaction times, more programmable inputs. Point, click, shoot (which is your equivalent to L2/LT + R2/RT)". If it's such a huge issue... I'm sure EA will resolve it soon. If not, I guess it's like any other shooter game.

As I said, it's always been an issue, in most shooter games. Both platforms have their pros/cons, just PC players who happen to use controllers get the best of both. Shocker, a lot of players these days.

I made comments earlier in the chain that yes whilst it (aim-assist) may need fine-tuning... you can't penalise console players to cater for a few PC players who are using a controller. If you want to use MnK, cool you get pros 1,2,3 but dont get aim-assist. If you choose controller, you get aim-assist but don't get 1,2,3. Something the gaming industry has done for what years now in regards to input mapping, graphics (console is typically locked to performance or fidelity - whilst PC gets both). 

DeSync and the underlying netcode is an issue yes. But its the same with any fighting/shooter game. At one point Soul Calibre had an awful DeSync. It's a common issue and usually resolved fairly quickly by the devs. Equally its not 100% responsible to aim-assist given desync is a difference caused by latency or other network discrepancies.

G1ZMO16​ 

Yes, cheats are easier for pc players. As is a laptop right next to the console user that can download cheats on USB stick or go into amazon and buy cronus. Let me tell you this, if cronus spiked with 50k sells for some months on amazon when bo6 released and it still sells 4k units a month, you can guess how many cheaters there actually is on console/controller users.

The fact about KD part is that, if there are cheaters they likely will have very good KD. Since I bring it up because, I am making a comparision. If I have met 1 cheater at 200+ hours with high KD I should have better knowledge than average joe about who and who is not cheating. Also, BF6 has alot of desync issues. Since you work in IT I dont need to explain that part.

We see average joes complaining on cheaters everyday also, if they were right and reported the person, they can actually prove it by giving confirmation mail from EA which they rarely do.

The fact that you can just pick up a controller and press LT + RT and the aim assist locks onto the player is a more of a benefit for the controller player than the mouse and keyboard. Even if mouse is easier to control recoil, majority of people on pc still cant do that. Because they are... wait for it... AVERAGE JOES. If average pc users go against average console users with 25% less recoil, with aim assist that follows, with attachments that makes everygun a laser, with higher movement speed, with better hip fire, with better ADS. Who do you think will win? Spoiler, not the MKB player, why do you think that people convert to controller? Isn't that obvious too you?

Anyway, I have tried both ways. I dont have to spend a fraction of my energy with controller as I have to do with MKB to achieve the same result, that is a huge issue.

CptSnefot​

You're right, many console players do not know that. However, I happen to work in IT, so I'm aware of the benefits PC has. I am also aware that cheats are much easier to come by on PC. For me, I can usually tell when someone's genuinely a good player or when they're cheating. Again I refer back to my previous comments and experience with gaming. Most cheaters I've encounters happen to be on... you guessed it PC! Unfortunately that's gaming today... sad little people who have no skill.

This can even extend to streamers and "pro-players"... there have been multiple times where they've been exposed for cheating. Whilst this is predominantly in the CoD community, the point remains.

Aim assist is one those, it's there to help console players because MnK provides faster reaction times (mouse can be moved with the wrist and arm - compared to a joystick which is a thumb/finger depending on how people hold the controller). If a PC player is using controller, then they're going to get that benefit of aim-assist plus all the benefits of being on PC. Which suprise surprise, a lot of "streamers" do this. The "issue" will always be present because of games/companies wanting to be accessible to all.

You can't penalise your average console player because a PC player is using a controller. That'll be like penalising PC players because the console players have less options when it comes to remapping your control settings.

There are pros/cons to both PC and console. It's been this way for years. The only real difference is that cross-play has become more popular in recent years, and cheaters have spiked across the board. This includes Cronus users on console, but again can be used on PC should they not want to install real cheats to try and avoid detection.

Edit - Also stop banging on about KD... its Battlefield not CoD or Apex etc... Some people play the objective or like to do a shift as engineer/medic. I got 82 revives, no kills and no deaths the last time I played the game. KD isn't everything. Furthermore, I've seen people reporting issues regarding their soldier/vehicle moving by themselves (and it's not stick drift) as I have experienced the same issue. So this seperate issue fights against aim-assist in the first place.

copy pasting from my conversation with ForgottenName25​ G1ZMO16​ 

Most of console players believe pc players are cheating when reality they just changed to controller on pc with better system latency. There is a lot of cheaters, but when pro players change to controller or system in general with a controller. You know that it's not a cheating issue, it's aim aissist issue.

I have met one cheater on bf6 after 200 hours into the game, just one.

Edit: I also want to point out that majority of console players dont actually know how much system latency they actually have with console, bluetooth and non premium tv with 60hz, vsync for motion smoothness. You can get up to combined 100+ in system/display latency with an average console setup. I play on 11-13 in system latency, I have almost 10x faster system latency than most people on console. Here you have nvidia themselves talk about how latency works.
Link 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h69JR51pZbU
Link 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muvToLXJSks

As I commented to ForgottenName25​.

Most of console players believe pc players are cheating when reality they just changed to controller on pc with better system latency. There is a lot of cheaters, but when pro players change to controller or system in general with a controller. You know that it's not a cheating issue, it's aim aissist issue.

I have met one cheater on bf6 after 200 hours into the game, just one.

Edit: I also want to point out that majority of console players dont actually know how much system latency they actually have with console, bluetooth and non premium tv with 60hz, vsync for motion smoothness. You can get up to combined 100+ in system/display latency with an average console setup. I play on 11-13 in system latency, I have almost 10x faster system latency than most people on console. Here you have nvidia themselves talk about how latency works.
Link 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h69JR51pZbU
Link 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muvToLXJSks

Did you get better K/D only because of turning of crossplay, or did you actually change any settings, weapons etc.

 Also, fun fact! Alot of console players complain on PC cheaters when they're in reality using controllers themselves. This is a widely known issue since crossplay was introduced in MW2. Players changed to controller even pro players changed to controller or even threw their console away and started playing on pc with controller. Since you get more fps "less input lag" Oled display and fastest gaming system in the world. You think it's cheats, that is the reality. It's so easy to say "pc cheaters" when in reality, you get a taste of your own medicine with lower system latency.

Also, there is still alot of cheaters, but i've been called a cheater majority of my gameplay and console players are just average joe's in reality.

Edit: I also want to point out that majority of console players dont actually know how much system latency they actually have with console, bluetooth and non premium tv with 60hz, vsync for motion smoothness. You can get up to combined 100+ in system/display latency with an average console setup. I play on 11-13 in system latency, I have almost 10x faster system latency than most people on console. Here you have nvidia themselves talk about how latency works.
Link 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h69JR51pZbU
Link 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muvToLXJSks