REDSEC Sudden SBMM

There's likely some degree as you ultimately NEED it to have any game matchmaking work (and has been a thing since the start with Halo 2).

Could also just be that people are figuring out the game and collectively getting better now that the dust of its drop is settling. Could ALSO just be a rough session that you hit and you were just unlucky.

Everyday now the games are super sweaty still, it was not just the other day. Even GAUNTLET is freaking sweaty, I was really hoping for a much more relaxing experience compared to a sweat fest in Redsec. I stopped playing Warzone cause of SBMM.

It should be just ping and location and then complete random lobby regarding skill.

SBMM just kills the vibe and will kill it again!

Even my friends are saying that they have turned it up, so it’s definitely just me feeling this. Same as Verdansk when it came back, first few days without and then BAAM, cranked up SBMM to the MAX.

Yeah, in the last few days I've noticed a lot of sweaty players all of a sudden across the whole game. Now I'm struggling to get kills without being killed almost immediately. I'm turning crossplay off to see if that helps at all.

The net code isn't helping either. Lately I've been lagging and rubber banding all over the place to the point where it's virtually impossible to play or do anything, but yet others can kill me no problem.

I was doing decent in Redsec at first, but now I'm getting killed easily and getting stuck with horrible teammates that refuse to play the objective in Gauntlet. 

My last normal match was on Wednesday this week in Redsec. Since then, my friends and I have only been getting lobbies where sometimes we can’t even move. My skills haven’t changed — I’ve had a steady 1.0–1.1 KD since the game’s release. So if this continues, unfortunately I’ll have to quit the game, even though I really enjoyed the first week.

"The only time SBMM comes into play is when all of the first 3/4 criteria aren't met.   I think it's Ping, location, games needing filling, and then SBMM in that order"

So if there are plenty of folks with an adequate ping in your region, a server might well fill totally based on SBMM?

Anyway, I've read a dev say they don't do SBMM like CoD, they do team SBMM (or in the case of RedSec, squad SBMM), ie. the players are all assessed due to performance criteria, but that is used to balance one team against the other, not to make a whole lobby of people of the same skill.

You end up with teams that have a wide range of skill levels but each team should have the same overall ability so as to make the match fair, but each encounter might be far from fair.

What I think though is that they are employing some kind of win-lose retention-based algorithm.

It was only discovered - a few years ago - because EA patented the design.

It basically says that they think players play longer if they have certain win-lose sequence/ratio regardless of how fair the games are, so the algorithm makes sides depending on who they want to engineer a win or loss for, not on trying to make it fair.

The other attractive part of that for EA/DICE is that it is much easier to arrange a one-sided victory/loss than it is to try and arrange a fair match.

The bad part is that a lot of players would rather lose and have a close/fair game than win a boring one-sided match.

Certainly I've noticed that, even though BF6 doesn't allow team-switching and it punishes people who quit (no XP) and it re-forms sides every match, it still doesn't manage to have better balance than BF1 which didn't do any of those things.

This is why I'm concluding there must be something else at play other than wanting to make even matches.

Either that or their matchmaking system is utterly rubbish.

Neither is a good look for EA/DICE.

They never said there is no SBMM. SBMM is part of matchmaking and is tuned depending on the mode. Everyone who played older BFs notices if a lobby has SBMM. If you really think there is no SBMM in Battlefield after all the drama with BFV ("we felt new players quit too quickly, so we made TTK longer"), you may believe into Santa Claus.

No u are not. I find myself with people in level 60 and above. On top of that it’s hard to win cuz the people I play with don’t focus on team work. I’m looking to form a team of good players like myself so we can have fun atleast. Add me up. YT__DonZor

Bad teammates is a real struggle lately, especially in Gauntlet! I keep getting people that refuse to play the objectives and would rather just camp and try to kill people or sit there and try to snipe the whole time. Useless! I have yet to win the final round out of the handful of times I've made it, because the opposing team is somehow way better every time too.

Le SBMM est prèsent dans le mode REDSEC, j'en suis sûr à 100%, il est au moins aussi puissant que sur warzone. J'ai joué à des dizaines de jeux avec ce système implémenté, je le connais très bien les premières parties en battleroyal et en survie était très agréables, au bout de 5/6 parties à faire top 3-4-5, le jeu devient injouable, tous les adversaires sont surpuissants, on ne peut plus se détendre. Moi et mes amis ne joueront plus à ce jeu en l'état