Use Old BF Suppression Systems

Agreed

Was a lot better before. You barely even notice it now unless a tank shell flies past your face at Mach 3 lol.

It was acknowledged by a community manager in another post, so they're aware of it, but haven't publicly acknowledged it. 

Keep complaining, though; I am. Gotta bump it up the algorithm. 

Anyway, BF1 suppression system was great. They should do that.

They really need to have suppression mechanics based on weapon type and munition size. The current suppression is what a pistol and SMG should do...but higher caliber weapons? Feels a bit off.

Also, no flinching for snipers being dome'd while ADSing is insane. Especially with that broken as hell sweet spot mechanic.

I agree with your title for the most part but I do not think Battlefield 3 suppression was over-tuned but I do understand that people like different things just like how some people might like high FOV configurations; everyone likes something.

Something else I have noticed is that when some people play Battlefield 3 they use the guns incorrectly holding down the fire button at all engagement ranges and in all states (I am not saying this is you). Naturally my experience does not account for every person who plays but it gives me the feeling that those people are treating the game like a generic arena shooter and as such when their expectations don’t match the result they blame the tick rate, netcode, spread or suppression system, so they might feel more inclined to dislike suppression. Of course it could also be that some players just don’t like it and that’s fine, as expressed people have different preferences.

As to what I want I’d prefer the Battlefield 3 representation of suppression as the Battlefield 4 visual suppression rendering is often too subtle (at least to me) leading to an unintuitive shooting experience as it encourages you to shoot as you would when you are not suppressed increasing the likely hood of encountering additional suppressive penalties. This issue probably would not be too bad if the shot mechanics were based on the radius of the spread cone like in Battlefield 3 as this would provide a centre biased style shooting experience but in Battlefield 4 shot mechanics are based on the area of the spread cone which makes it that much more likely to miss by default.

So to summarise, the Battlefield 4 suppression system if applied to Battlefield 6 in my opinion would cause conflict with the kinaesthetic system and gun projectile mechanics as it would lead to people having to shoot first and note that they are missing in order to recognise that they are acutely suppressed, only when they are severely suppressed would a player be able to make a more informed decision. Battlefield 3 suppression is designed to give you the visual stimuli to adapt and overcome such that you know instantly to change your firing pattern and brace for additional recoil/drift penalties relative to the intensity of the effect both before and as you engage; it provides for multiple level of play and is a great attribute for building atmosphere and giving the impression that there is more destruction then there actually is (Try Battlefield 3 Metro and then try Battlefield 4 metro, same map different experience).

I think the developer should also look at Battlefield 3’s camera shake style because while Battlefield 6’s rendition looks acceptable it appears very robotic to me like you are a camera on wheels. Battlefield 3’s camera shake expresses more rotations that feature dynamic speed shifts to simulate the natural human frame wincing, jerking or lurching from nearby explosions. Again I feel this would add to the kinaesthetic design philosophy embedded in Battlefield 6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4h9-AfoUPA&t=90s

*EDIT To add a URL as an example to my camera shake comment, the YouTube video I found is of someone demonstrating C4 in Battlefield 6 and Battlefield 3 but it's still relevant. I feel that the camera animations that occur from nearby explosions in Battlefield 3 helps to make the large explosions appear more powerful more credible; you can feel the force through your screen, you can feel the battle. Also in the Battlefield 3 clips do you notice the shorter throwing distance and slightly slower C4 animation to make it more situational and to help personify the item more as a serious tool rather than a toy. The soldier dialogue is great too!

P.S. Just putting this out there for any marketing staff that are reading this but I will purchase Battlefield 6 if Battlefield 3 style suppression is implemented even if it’s optional or voluntary.

Can't believe people are actually asking for this crap and this to come back, what a joke. We don't need a RNG/luck based gun accuracy model, nor do we need a BF where you get bad eye glare every few seconds. BF3 suppression was one of the absolute worst things ever and made me quit the game after less than 45 hours of playtime. BF1 suppression however was much better. 

You are entitled to your opinion as said you have invested a whole 45 hours or less in Battlefield 3 and you found that you didn’t like the suppression feature, that is fine. But this is relative to what I expressed earlier. Those videos were probably posted by someone who also does not like the feature with the first one clearly trying to demonstrate it for satirical purposes but regardless the video is going to be edited to reflect the thoughts of the author. It should also be noted that the video posts you have supplied are from March and April 2012 additional patches were released around June of the same year that modified the weapon physics and I think there was also one or two more patches released later on in the same year that further corrected any additional bugs missed.

The issue here isn’t that someone doesn’t like suppression (you can like other things it is fine), the issue is that sometimes a persons opinion is based on the wrong information or limited experience and as result they go on to tell people how the feature is bad or broken, this eventually leads to other people saying the feature is bad because of what they have heard rather then what they have understood.

Nevertheless it needs to be noted that suppression is variable not binary, it does not allow you to kill hordes of players by just holding left click, the proof is in the video itself. Though the player gets a number of confirmed kills he is not shooting on his own throughout. His team is supporting him so the bulk of the kills you are seeing are related to both him and his team mates engaging hence why he is getting suppressive assists. The game doesn’t give you the ability to see who is assisting you so bullets from various team members are hitting the same target with the PKP player's bullet striking the death blow.

When he does go down the left side stairs on his own he does indeed get 4 kills but no one is shooting at him and he walks into a grenade, this relates to what I expressed earlier with editing the video to make something appear a certain way.

Ask yourself this:

• Why is this not a seamless clip?
• Why is he missing so many shots?
• Why is this player only shown to be killed twice?
• Why is it that the second scene of him in the locker area features enemies not facing him?
• Why did he go prone and use the bi-pod in that scene?
• Why did his team show up and what effect do you think that would have?
• Why is it when he is on the escalators does the enemy not shoot at his direction?
• Why is it when he goes round to elevators no one is facing him until he’s already hit them and what’s his team mate doing?
• Why is he aiming at the targets?
• Why is no one else doing what he’s doing should be an easy win if everyone plays with a PKP and just holds left click?
• Why are there engineers on the opposite team and what kind of effect will that have on an infantry conquest map?
• What does that say about the enemy team? Are they able or do they understand how to play?
• Why is it at the end of the video he gets killed by someone he’s attempting to suppress to death?

There are reasons for why these things are happening but none of them can be answered by saying that one guy suppressing with a PKP LMG is doing it all on his own. No, what is happening is what can happen in any game which is that having a competent team can mean you don't have to try so hard add to this an incompetent opposition and you have a recipe for click bait.

The 2nd video is showing someone rapid firing what looks like a silenced DMR, it’s possible that there is a bug here but lets ignore that. Silenced weapons have slower bullet velocity and an increased spread cone as such the player is engaging the target in rapid fire incrementing his shot penalties increasing the likelihood of a miss. The visuals were blurred when he got killed not as he was shooting so he wasn’t suppressed.

As expressed you like what you like and you dislike what you dislike but if you already made up your mind about how bad that something is or if you just don’t understand how that something works then a video based around making fun of that something or blaming that something isn’t going to change your opinion; it is not providing you with the right information to make an educated informed choice.

Here is a better video selection to help demonstrate how Battlefield 3 actually plays by someone called Locklear :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zz92baV-Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZbZKpg6kJc&list=PL2AE02D2DB7507A9F&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TzZSSEZF14&list=PL2AE02D2DB7507A9F&index=5

Here is a compilation one from AKAART:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ts2ab_gvTI

Even if you deny what I am saying or lets say that I’m completely wrong and I don’t know anything why is it that the videos I’ve selected show something different? Why are the players in those videos not playing like the person in that satirical video that you submitted or experiencing the issue of the player in the second video that you submitted? Why did Battlefield 3 sell so many copies surely people would be returning it in droves?

These are rhetorical questions, I am not asking you to actually answer them but what I am trying to say is that while it’s okay to dislike something that doesn’t mean its “crap” or RNG luck based.

I agree that it shouldn't be good as a way to get kills. If you lay down constant fire without mounting (ads or hipfire) with an LMG, your spread should be huge. LMG's should require stagger fire when not mounted to be accurate at all. They should really push the player to mount the weapon to lay accurate prolonged fire.

It doesn't need to be bf 3 or 4 specifically. Use 1 (I didn't play that one much so I can't remember how suppression worked there). Just something to make it matter.

I'm with you on your suppression comments. There needs to be a good visual indication that you are suppressed that doesn't require shooting to figure out that you are being suppressed. I remember in BF3, maybe 4 (it's been a while), being crouched behind cover and being shot at. My vision was impacted, there was an audio queue, and I recall it being visceral enough to instinctively want to reposition myself rather than shoot back.

Basically I would like to see suppression change enough such that I can lay down fire down a lane to keep the enemy from using that lane. Maybe they don't like that idea since they gave nearly every map only 3 lanes to choose from. We'll see what they end up doing.

Slow down auto health regen (I'd bin auto regen entirely) and tier it like in bfV (I think) and it will solve a lot of the the issues with this game.