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I do love the BF community but some of you are just whacked. Some demand that players learn to adapted, face challenges and think more tactical while demanding - we all wear the same uniforms. -...
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I'm willing to sacrifice some "immersion" in favor of a smooth running game. Enter exit aren't needed, the hold X to enter on BF4 works just fine, doesn't disrupt the flow, and is completely forgivable in the big picture.
I assume by enter an exit animation people are referring to entering vehicles. These are absolutely essential to keep for balance reasons as previously you could attack someone repairing and they could insta warp into the vehicle and effectively counter attack. Same issues exists with exit animations. gunner can just pop out and flank someone. These animations are sensible, practical and by and large well executed. No more than you should have instant reloading weapons should you be able to instantly make yourself immune to small arms fire while dramatically increasing your offensive capabilities as you do when you enter a tank. I shouldn't have to wonder whether a person entered a tank or lost their internet connection when they disappear.
There is precisely ZERO reason to legitimately criticize these vehicle entry/exit animations and any attempts to do so can be easily dismissed as can likely their authors.
OTH you have patently absurd animations like sliding which are both unnecessary and poorly implemented. Sliding deserves all the animosity it has garnished and then some.
enter/exit animations aren't essential given they weren't in the franchise for ~15 years.
And they aren't well executed at all. The animations are hard to look at day in and day out with how much the camera moves around and they take too long too.
Yes they do stop some 'unfairness' but at the expense of lots of other fun and practicality. ...because, for one, most of the time you're just getting in a vehicle without an enemy around. And yet now you can't just hop in and go. You gotta watch that micro movie over and over and over every round. You can't hop out of the vehicle either when you encounter some enemies. If you try to hop out in such a case you'll end up a ways away and/or you'll be executed because you're sitting duck in BFV when trying to get out of a vehicle. All because you gotta go through the 2-3 sec animation. A lot of spontaneity is lost. Parachuting is more lame with the 2-3 second delay. Jumping out and repairing vehicles isn't very doable now either.
The animations really annoy the player when they jump into a vehicle then decide to jump in a different vehicle for various reasons. In those situations , you're forced to watch 3 micro movies in a row. A lot of practicality/ease of use is lost. And annoyance is increased.
Animations also just created a different kind of unfairness. Now the guy in the jeep, for example, who was already a bit of a sitting duck, is really a sitting duck since it takes 2-3 seconds to get out of the jeep. Any guy getting into a tank is now served up on a platter for enemies sitting in bushes. The last second escapes from a vehicle about to blow up aren't as fun either.
Also it's untrue you couldn't kill a guy (while he was repping a vehicle) before he hops back in. Did it all the time. There's already internet delay as it is so a player can't react right away as it is so if you land your shots, especially headshots, you're going to drop the guy quite often. As it was, a rocket or sniper rifle etc could take out the guy in one shot already. Also the better move was to steal the vehicle instead if the repair guy was the driver. That ability is largely taken away.
So the end result has been less fun overall in order to solve some minor esports influenced technicality. In other words, the cure is worse than the disease.
Last, even if the repair guy gets back into the tank, you've forced him to stop his repair. That's a positive most of the time because there's a good chance the tank remains low on health and vulnerable. Ready for you or a teammate to take it out.
I'm not that bothered either way about enter/exit animations but hopefully the next game will have slower ttk so they wouldn't make as much difference. There are other problems though like having to line up perfectly with a door, interaction with scenery (bouncing), having trench networks right outside/in regen.
Also on panzerstorm jeeps exploded when hitting tiny dry stone walls that went everywhere so you had a car that dies in 1 shot to a tank with a driver that dies in 1 shot to a sniper, with a windscreen that could be shot down to shoot the driver from front/back/sides and with blockages everywhere on the map, making it pretty pointless to use.
I like the slower tanks but while BF1 had crazy designs with machine guns pointing out all directions giving them very good anti infantry and also being maneuverable, BF5 had extremely hard to maneuver tanks with all anti infantry capabilities facing the same direction as the main gun and the ttk/see it you can shoot it stopping external machine gunners with 360, with main cannon being deliberately useless with splash to infantry. So I'd like the see solutions for those. Also not a fan of the driver having no machine gun, if they need to retreat for main ammo often it just means they have to camp miles away or constantly go for resupplies which may annoy any passengers.
I'm also not convinced by having a spec tree/locked options but alternate ammo/firing options for soldiers and tanks was nice, and tank body customisation from the start of the game would be good and tank death animations I did like.
Would be nice to see some kind of armour on a vehicle to act as a shield to external passengers and narrow down the angle to shoot them from and possibly openable/closable doors on helicopters. Door closed the heli takes incoming fire/door open the players do.
It may also help if you have more certainty over where you're going to exit a vehicle so you can position it as a shield if you or others are exiting and for exiting to be quicker than entering. I'm really hoping for larger positions you can actually have fights on too with less dead space between them and more cover/foliage all round preferably with not much blocking but that reduces visibility like pacific storm or the rushes near the bridge on al sundan first breakthrough sector. I love that waterfall area =P
I don't do much with planes but the one on the BF1 DLC was horrible killing from miles away with no counter, also people switching seats to rear gunner on BF5 and their plane flying perfectly straight feels unfair, also I expected planes bombs to be affected by more things like distance and speed but they seem to fall exactly where the aim is, I always assumed you would have to use that as a guide and account for other factors yourself with trial and error.
Also hoping all weapons will be available on release and any added later will be for balancing purposes rather than withholding stuff for crappy social media/mtx reasons and not a fan of nerfing the original weapons to create reward space just to get back to where you started from.
@trip1ex Not in 15 years is a low bar when you consider the advancement of game engines and platforms. Many things got add when technology(memory) allowed.
You can't have it both ways., the community needs to accept either stay inside repair to 100% or force players to get and repair. Which is it going to be? That is the problem BFV had a group want drivers to leave the vehicle.
As for me i prefer the drive stay inside and keep the anime.
I am sorry but jihad jeep is cheap. Tanks are slow, slow turrets and have slow respawn. Yet you want a vehicle that rapidly spawn become a weapon to take out tanks instantly but complain about how boring the anime and how unfair to the jeep driver. Cavalry was a good Anti-tank in BF1. If you want the ability to throw C4 from a motorbike/jeep I will support that.
Annoy is also target warps into a vehicle to have bullets miss, spontaneously appear out of no where to kill you. That works on jeeps too.
Abandon a vehicle at the last seconds and escaping alive is a skill. It was to easy to escape before, it was something people complained in BF4 about. Working over a vehicle only for the kill to escape at the last second.
Parachuting from a bomber should have had a door to stand at.
They've always been able to put delay into game mechanics. And there was never delay in the game for entering and/or exiting vehicles even if the engine couldn't have done annoying animations back in the day.
Escaping alive from a vehicle at the last seconds is just knowing when is the last possible moment you can press E to leave a vehicle. Adding a vehicle exit delay doesn't change that. It doesn't make it more skillful. It doesn't make it harder to get out. You just gotta press E at ~20% vehiclle health instead of 5% or whatever the numbers actually are.
(I responded to some of your low quality comments in another post to popa2caps)
You can't hop out of the vehicle either when you encounter some enemies. If you try to hop out in such a case you'll end up a ways away and/or you'll be executed because you're sitting duck in BFV when trying to get out of a vehicle.
That's exactly right and working as intended.
Protip: You can kill the enemies while inside most vehicles
I mean you can't work for one day at the store at the mall and make $99,999,999. You can't wipe your bum 1 time and expect it to be clean forever and you can't exit a vehicle and expect not to be vulnerable. These are simple life facts and if a person is genuinely struggling with these concepts they may wish to consider getting aid. This may be legitimately foreign to you but when you wait for someone to fire an rpg or switch to C4 or repair tool (attack) and you magically warp out of the vehicle and kill them while they are vulnerable, it isn't fun for them.
Animations also just created a different kind of unfairness. Now the guy in the jeep, for example, who was already a bit of a sitting duck, is really a sitting duck since it takes 2-3 seconds to get out of the jeep. Any guy getting into a tank is now served up on a platter for enemies sitting in bushes. The last second escapes from a vehicle about to blow up aren't as fun either.
Beautiful! *chef's kiss!* Working exactly as intended 😃 Jeeps are some of the fastest vehicles in the game. That's the cost of mobility. I'[m not seeing a 2-3 second jeep animation either. This shows about 1 second. And last second escapes from a tank, really? You got GOT and you're trying to steal a kill from the someone did the gotting. That's shameful! In many cases you shouldn't be abandoning the vehicle period (Thank you for reminding me of another benefit - reduction in vehicle abandonment)
Also it's untrue you couldn't kill a guy (while he was repping a vehicle) before he hops back in.
I never said you couldn't nor implied that so I will assume you are arguing with yourself here. I did, correctly, say that people could (and often did) warp into vehicles while repping to avoid damage. I know because I did and witnessed others do so.
Last, even if the repair guy gets back into the tank, you've forced him to stop his repair. That's a positive most of the time because there's a good chance the tank remains low on health and vulnerable.
If there's a teammate in the vicinity and if the enemy doesn't point its turret at you and/or teammate and blow them away. Far and away the more desirable result is to have the driver dead or force them to abandon the position and retreat.
So the end result has been less fun overall in order to solve some minor esports influenced technicality. In other words, the cure is worse than the disease.
How you've managed to incorporate esports into this is a marvel of the human imagination. I cannot properly convey in words how diametrically opposed your post is to anything resembling proper logical reasoning. It is deeply disturbing both for your hyper sensitivity to length of these animations which unless you spend your entire time in game entering and exiting vehicles, amounts to a negligible and miniscule fraction of gameplay time and for your utter lack of empathy for the players on the other side of the interaction. I should note that a consistent lack of empathy and disregard for others can be signs of a personality disorder.
Posts like the one I am responding to are a detriment to the Battlefield community and do great harm. It's one thing to post an opinion but entirely another to put up regressive content at such an absurdly low quality level as to insult a reasonable person. I urge you to take a week or maybe even a month off to consider the implications of your post recognize the complete lack of value in it and come back only when you are prepared never to repeat this mistake.
I wish you a healthy, speedy and enjoyable forum vacation! 🙌
- @rainkloud I my humble opinion, ingress/egress animations are completely unnecessary. They disrupt the flow of the game and usually by the time people bail, with or without the animation, they're dead meat anyway
- @rainkloud it not just repairs you could use a jeep to avoid bullets by warping and you did not need to be close.
Sliding uphills or around corners to get kills sure, but using to avoid fire is what it should be used for. 
That's incorrect. They are not absolutely essential, or they would have been in the design phase with the first Battlefield. In my opinion they're more detrimental to the overall series than anything.
What is someone doing while the actual animation is taking place? Nothing.
Many variables pop up when it comes to animations in video games. One of the issues I think of is it directly unlinks your user from the game. They have no control over the outcome for x amount of time.
Realistically I dislike all video game animations that take control of my inputs. I look at it like nothing more than I'm not playing the game, the game is playing itself, but just my opinion.
Let me be more explicit since the either the original intent was was lost or you've intentionally warped it to aid your opinion. Vehicle entry animations are essential to the legitimacy of the modern Battlefield series and moving forward. They provide the observer player with clear visual queues as to when a player is entering or existing a vehicle, it serves as a balance mechanism to prevent vehicle entry/exit abuse, it adheres to the doctrine of representative realism (that is mechanics which while not simulation level realistic are designed to represent real life actions), and they provide the player with a smooth, logical transition to the vehicle UI.
What is someone doing while the actual animation is taking place? Nothing.
I guess check your phone, comb your hair, or squeeze your stress ball. Maybe you could buy a second copy of the game and use those 2 seconds to get in a little extra BF action. Bottom line: You do you
Many variables pop up when it comes to animations in video games. One of the issues I think of is it directly unlinks your user from the game. They have no control over the outcome for x amount of time.
No, yeah that's exactly what it is doing and it is working 100% perfectly in the case of vehicle animations (unless something has dramatically changed since I last played). When you choose to enter a vehicle you are making a conscious decision to lower your defenses while you board. The risk is that you can be shot while boarding so you need to do your due diligence and clear the area or smoke and dash. The reward is that you are entering a vehicle that dramatically increases your offensive/defensive capabilities along with your mobility.
When you exit a vehicle you are shedding your armored skin (presumably to save your life) at the cost of a couple of seconds of vulnerability.
I could understand the criticism if these were pure vanity animations with no context or benefit to the players but there is a clear symmetry here. They provide a distinct visual queue, enforce logical game balance and are not excessive in duration. Same thing with the medic revive - Risk vs Reward. Small window of vulnerability but in return a teammate is back in action.
There's a veritable motherlode of issues with the BF series (like sliding animations 😞) but vehicle animations are one area that we can all be content with.
- @Popa2caps come on technology advances allowing more to be done. Just because something is not in the first BF does not mean it was not original planned for.
Yes, the do nothing. So what?
Here a question climb into vehicle you say directly unlinks a play from the game, how is that different to watching you warp into and out of vehicles.
This is the same as saying it is more immersive for you to spawn in and the vehicle separately because running across the field ito a hanger is better then both spawn into the hanger together. I still don't get that just as I don't get why you think warping 5m and being suspended for time into a vehicle is better then taking time to get into a vehicle.- @DingoKillr hope you're doing well. I might have confused you a little, sorry about that. Please allow me to clear that up for you the best I can.
You're absolutely correct. I have no previous knowledge of DICE's ambitions for the series Battlefield nor do I care what they were (I'm not trying to sound mean).
Understand I'm here for my enjoyment, it's a video game after all. If I don't find this enjoyment, I simply move on. It's a for-profit business at the end of the day. You make the client happy, they reward you with money. The company will always do what is in it's best interests, so will I.
Also, I didn't mean to say all animations are unwanted, I should have been more clear, my bad, I'm just saying DICE implemented them incorrectly and/ or pooly. I look at Battlefield as an open sandbox video game. The user just runs around messing with ingame assets, basically.
When a developer starts to implement regulations (Linear Vehicle Animations in Battlefield 1 and/ or Battlefield 5 in this case) that slow down my enjoyment (Enjoyment being gameplay), it starts to annoy me. If a game annoys me too much, I simply quit playing altogether and look for a different product.
So yeah, I dislike vehicle animations in Battlefield 1 and Battlefield 5, but just because it's linear ( linear: progressing from one stage to another in a single series of steps; sequential. The user has no control after the specific button/s are pressed (Press and/or hold a button, sequence of commands takes place).
Now if DICE would have implemented a non-linear vehicle movement animation system, I would have gladly accepted it. The current system disconnects me with the game too much. 2 seconds here, 3 seconds here. It adds up to someone like me. Meanwhile you don't control what you're doing while this sequence is taking place, I find that boring.
Now a non-linear vehicle movement animation system would be preferred in my opinion. A non-linear vehicle movement animation would be where the user just uses movement close to the ingame assets, and starts the sequence, but in real time, no button press, no sequences, the user is in control at all times.
Tomb Raider had some good animations when close to certain objects, walls etc. You could move backwards, forwards and the animations would just follow what the user was doing.
That's what I think Battlefield should have.
You get close to the vehicle and you open the door. You press your movement button and your character starts to move inside the seat or whatever, but at no point are the controls taken away from you. At any time you can pull back on your movement button and leave the vehicle, it's up to you, not a sequence.
I think the way DICE implemented vehicle animations is nothing more than to show off what we can do more than practical gameplay ability at the end of the day. Looks cool in a video you show someone, but not fun to experience it first hand over and over.
- @rainkloud I disagree - exit animations were a horrible idea, interrupted the game play flow and killed many "Only in Battlefield moments" the franchise was known for. There was literally zero reason to put them into the game other than being a gimmick. If you want that type of realism then games like Arma and Squad (which was BF2's Project reality so there's always been players who wanted more immersion and less fun) for you guys. Just curious when did you start playing Battlefield?
For the other posters talking about repairs, I personally want players to only repair vehicles from the outside again as the "self repair" lessens the the necessity of people actually playing their classes to repair vehicles. I'm against players being able to do everything themselves in a class based team game which as I recall was the main objection from the community about "Action man" in BF1\5 being a jack of all trades.- @ragnarok013 fully agree with you about exit (and to a large degree, entry) animations. Musical Tonks was often a tense but hilarious game!
Disagree slightly about internal repairs though. Although they essentially result on the same thing, internal repairs are a vast improvement on auto regen. At least internal repairs requires a 'manual input' by the driver.
The lack of external repairs by other classes is more due to the fact that gunning in BF1 and BFV is boring and/or to deadly compared to earlier titles. This means that dedicated Repair Monkeys are a rare breed now.
