Re: My complaints with this game...

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@infantyman9244 wrote:
@AlphonseDisciple
It is unlocked at player level 60

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Appreciate that info. But do you see how that is kinda BS? The Titan you get super super early in the game. Then the Avatar isn’t unlocked until the very last level... that’s trash! Smh. 

Titans aren't as OP as you think. Jump jet troopers and air units like banshees and orcas deal with titans well enough. Well positioned MLRS with proper blocking can also deal with titans (for blocking, yes titans can pierce, but if you micro the blocking unit by moving it back and forth and time it correctly, you can force the titan to miss the unit behind it). Multiple tanks can trade efficiently with titans, provided you position them correctly. When playing against tech, you want to 1. keep the missile charging as much as possible, making sure you win the first missile, and 2. pressure their harvesters to force cheap counters out, in that order of priority. This means not letting it remain yellow or grey for too long. The longer the game goes the more likely tech will come out, and the more likely your opponent will win. If you feel like you're consistently facing mass tech units, chances are it's because you played the early game wrongly and stalled the missile for too long, which gave your opponent time to get a large amount of tech out. Tech is also very slow, so in the event you are facing very early tech because of your own misplays or because the opponent just conserved their resources well, body blocking may very well be your best bet to defeating tech. Remember that just because tech is out doesn't always mean you have to retreat, or destroy them. There are quite a few games where I have beaten tech just by crowding the platforms to prevent them from getting in. Yeah sure, they kill lots of things and they don't die, but as long as they can't get on the platforms, I win the game still. At the higher levels of the game, you rarely see people using titans, simply because good players shut down tech very effectively.

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@RxyDxy1 wrote:

Titans aren't as OP as you think. Jump jet troopers and air units like banshees and orcas deal with titans well enough. Well positioned MLRS with proper blocking can also deal with titans (for blocking, yes titans can pierce, but if you micro the blocking unit by moving it back and forth and time it correctly, you can force the titan to miss the unit behind it). Multiple tanks can trade efficiently with titans, provided you position them correctly. When playing against tech, you want to 1. keep the missile charging as much as possible, making sure you win the first missile, and 2. pressure their harvesters to force cheap counters out, in that order of priority. This means not letting it remain yellow or grey for too long. The longer the game goes the more likely tech will come out, and the more likely your opponent will win. If you feel like you're consistently facing mass tech units, chances are it's because you played the early game wrongly and stalled the missile for too long, which gave your opponent time to get a large amount of tech out. Tech is also very slow, so in the event you are facing very early tech because of your own misplays or because the opponent just conserved their resources well, body blocking may very well be your best bet to defeating tech. Remember that just because tech is out doesn't always mean you have to retreat, or destroy them. There are quite a few games where I have beaten tech just by crowding the platforms to prevent them from getting in. Yeah sure, they kill lots of things and they don't die, but as long as they can't get on the platforms, I win the game still. At the higher levels of the game, you rarely see people using titans, simply because good players shut down tech very effectively.

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I pretty much disagree with everything you said. For one, the Orcas and Banshees... it takes like 2-3 shots do deal with one Titan. By then, they’ve completely wrecked half your army. And most Titan players have them backed up with Zone Troopers which take out air units in seconds. And the blocking argument isn’t a good one because the Titans * damage multiple tiles. And I actually do try to both get the the launch pads and pressure Harvesters from the very beginning. So that assumption you made is incorrect. Now I’m not saying that I’m a great player or that I play perfectly, but I am disagreeing that you offered any viable solutions. Like the crowding the platform argument. The Titan is capable of killing 2/3 of the platform in one shot. Once that happens and a Zone Trooper moves in with it, it’s hell trying to get that platform back. 

1. I don't really understand how a titan could wreck half your army if you're running orcas/banshees to kill it. 2 of them could easily destroy titans at an efficient trade. You can move your other units away from the titan you know.
2. Like i previously said, if you let them get titans and zones all at the same time on a regular basis, then clearly you played badly in the early to midgame. Also shocks kill zones while both titans and zones don't do that amazing against shocks.
3. Do you win 1st missile? Are you constantly charging the platforms? Watch your replays again, you might realize you aren't charging them as fast as you think you are.
4. Titans only kill 2 out of 3 if you let them shoot 2 out of 3. That's a problem of positioning. When I say crowd the platform I mean you wall it off so the titan can't get on it. Obviously you avoid giving it the pierce damage if possible. Also, the micro trick I mentioned.

Honestly, I think this whole problem just boils down to a need for improvement of your game sense, micro and decision making. I mean, almost all the top players don't run tech, or run very minimal tech, simply because shutting it down is not that difficult. Maybe instead of complaining about tech, you should watch their replays to see how they deal with tech. To claim I did not offer any viable solutions is pretty much to claim that you know better than the dozens of good players who have consistently beaten tech time and time again.

Word - you'd be amazed what you can learn watching people in the highest leagues.   I don't really find it fun - so I don't do it too often - but you HAVE to get outside of your own head and experiment in this game.  Especially now - people expect things... something as simple as not building a harvester when they come scouting you can throw off an opponent whole strategy.

@Alphonse

Well, you could also say that if a player manages to properly do that, leading a Zone Trooper and a Titan onto a launchpad or even multiple pads - despite all your continous efforts in the early/mid game - then s/he may just deserve to win.

1. Because the Zone Troopers destroys your Orcas in seconds. 

2. I love how your assumptions come into play. I never said I’m the best player. But just because I’m not the best doesn’t mean I played poorly just because the other guy was able to get two good u it’s out. Smh. 

3. Yes and no. It goes both ways. And yes I am. Always. Stop assuming you know my play style just because I have complaints. 

4. I love how you say it like it’s just that easy. Just block it off... simple. Smh. If it was simple I wouldn’t be here complaining about it. And it’s not like I’m the only one. I’ve seen tons of complaints on here about Titans. So it’s not just crappy ol me. 

Maybe I’m saying you aren’t offering viable solutions because your solutions aren’t that great. 🤷🏾‍♂️ 

I neber claimed to be some great player. I’m not playing this to be the best. I’m playing for fun and to be mildly competitive. And you aren’t “dozens of good players.” You’re one guy. With an opinion. Stop trying to belittle me just because I don’t think your advice is very good. Sorry. 

@PremierVenoth 

Yeah, I e been trying different strategies and different units. Including waiting on the Harvester. 

@DragonAge_523383 

I’m not saying that. I’m saying that once the Trooper and Titan start bowling through my army, it doesn’t matter what I do. The Trooper easily defeats ever air unit I have and the Titan more than easily mows through any ground unit I have. Orcas have been suggested to stop the Titan. But it takes minimum 2 Orcas to take down a Titan in any timely manner. And the Troopers can take down an Orca faster than they can take down the Titan. Especially with the Troopers slowing down the Orca with the EMP. 

@AlphonseDisciple goodness there's no convincing you people. Since telling you doesn't work, I'm more than happy to demonstrate it in a custom game. If you don't want to take advice from a tib player who was ranked slightly under the top 100 (and sometimes in the top 100 on good days), so be it. When I say dozens I speak on behalf of all the other top tib players who will tell you the exact same thing about titans or tech in general. Maybe instead of being insistent everything is broken you should focus more on improving your game.

@RxyDxy1 

No idea what the you people crap is all about but you can save it. Maybe instead of being a condescending * who talks down on people on a forum for a mobile video game because you’re “Top 100” (remind me to mail you some cookies for you accomplishment 👍🏾👍🏾) you should learn a better approach in giving your advice. I never insistent anything was broken. So instead of putting words in my mouth, take a second to breath and actually read what I said. There have been others who gave advice and I listened and appreciated it. So why are you so uptight about the fact that I didn’t care for your advice in particular? I apologize for offending your top 100 on a good day pride. My bad. I’m not a Tib level player. And I’m ok with that. Last season before the change, I was in Masters. For both NOD and GDI. Now I can’t even get halfway through Platinum. That is a pretty drastic drop off. Now did I magically wake up and just become trash at the game? Or did the game change a whole lot of things and a ton of people on this board have complained about it? You act like I’m the only one saying this. 

I appreciate the offer for a custom game. But you are better than me. This is obvious. I won’t dispute that. I don’t care about being the best. I don’t care about being the 100th best. I care about enjoying the game. And this game has lost its enjoyability. (Yes, I just made that word up.) Now if I didn’t like the game, I would just uninstall it and move on. But I LOVE Command and Conquer. Literally Red Alert was one of favorite games in college. So instead of just saying screw this game and moving on, I’d like it to improve. So I came here to voice my concerns. In hopes that it will get improved. Not because I want a top 100 player to tell me what a scrub I am and that it’s all just me. I don’t know what my rank was last season, but it’s like 2000 something now. So you are light years better than me. I’m ok with that. But just because you’re better than me and can handle situations I can’t does not mean that the game isn’t flawed. And the Zone Troopers coupled with the Titan is one of them. I had a match earlier where the guy had that flying laser thing that shoots 2 tiles (that I don’t even have unlocked yet) behind the Cyborgs. If I sent a ground unit that could counter the Cyborgs, the flying laser obliterated it. If I sent an air unit that could counter the laser ship, the Cyborgs obliterated it. But your advice is, don’t let them get to Tech. If they get to Tech it’s becuase you were trash to begin with. 

Great advice Roxy. Thanks. 👍🏾👍🏾

Welp continue struggling against tech then. You don't have to take it from me. I don't really care if you do. Like I said, there are many many other people who will tell you the same thing about tech as me. Just because you can't win against the combination doesn't mean it's a problem. If anything, there's nothing that says you can't use the combination yourself if you really think it's that impossible to deal with lol.

The titan/zone combo is hard to defend, but you have to let your opponent get them... 120 tib for a tech lab, 120 tib for zones, 150 tib for titan. That takes a lot of time to put on the board. If you constantly have units on the nuke pads, your opponents will be forced to invest into combatting that. If you watch the top players, tech units are rare because they’re too expensive to get in the board. They’re supposed to be way better than regular units, the trick is that they cost a lot to get into play, and if you’re under pressure through the game it’s hard to put them out.

my feedback on the game, I’m liking it but there are a couple of really small control things which are annoying as hell.

1) a unit with the raider ability can’t be told to move to a place AND to attack a specific unit. Eg if I send a predator tank to a nuke pad with a riflemen and a pitbull, the tank will attack whichever unit it meets first. If I tell it to attack the pitbull, it may stop before it’s on the pad to attack. It’s really frustrating when you need to get a unit on the pad, but then it wastes its first shot on a stupid match up, or worse just sits there attacking something that makes no sense. There are two possible fixes I can think of here. First, if a raider unit has the “choice” of two units to attack, it should default to the one it has greatest combat strength against. If I move a tank to a tile with infantry and a pitbull next to it, there’s a good chance I want it to attack the pitbull. If I move a chem buggy to the same spot, I probably want it to attack the infantry. Second solution is that units should be able to be tasked to move and attack separately. Eg I can tell a tank to move to x tile and also to tell it to attack y unit, it will move to x tile and when it’s there it will attack y unit. On the way it might attack things it goes past, but when it reaches its destination, it attacks the unit you selected. If that unit moves away, it goes to the tile only (ie movement overrides attack command).

2) flying units should only contest pads if they are above an unoccupied tile. If I have 3 units occupying the whole pad, you shouldn’t be able to contest it by flying a unit repeatedly over them from one side to another. The unit can’t occupy any of those 3 tiles, so why should it count as contesting the pad?

3) with a unit cap “penalty” making it slower to build units the more you have on the board, you should be able to self destruct units. I’ve lost games because I found myself without a good anti air unit, and suddenly the opponent deploys something like a kodiak or basilisk and just goes straight for my base. You might say that’s good strategy, but if I don’t have the ability to just get rid of a unit then I think it’s not particularly fair. You’re penalized by losing a unit you’ve paid for, so it’s not like it’s unfair to the player on the other side...

Mistarget always happened and people make use of it. For example moving predator and rifles towards MLRS at the same time but rifles runs faster so they wastes MLRS's shots and the predator kills it.

@sonicstar87 

Good Points. 

Yeah, fair enough I can see how those things can be considered part of the strategy of the game, but there’s still problems.

1) this means that raider is actually not an advantage for some units. If I have a pitbull, and I want it to attack a banshee, but it fires a rocket at some infantry, that’s just dumb. Like fair enough, use the infantry to suck up a rocket from the pit, but that’s exactly the problem - you can’t instruct the pitbull NOT to fire, and to only attack the banshee. Getting that first rocket can make a big difference. So considering the pitbull is meant to be the GDI war factory anti air unit, that’s a waste. It means the unit doesn’t do the job it’s primarily there for. If I tell it to move, it will attack anything close to it. If I tell it to attack specifically one unit, it will stop moving when it’s in range. If I tell it to move again, it reverts back to “attack anything nearby” - sometimes changing its target from the thing I’ve tasked it on. What’s the point? What’s the advantage?

3) I’d be fine with this if units were always on a level playing field. But if you consider a fairly standard shock/flame trooper infantry battle to start, if you’ve got units a level (or more) below your opponent, you generally have to bring greater numbers to win the battle. So you’re locked into a scenario of committing more pop cap space to win that battle. And because you have to pick your cards before the fight, you might be locked into that sort of a fight. It’s not that you have a weaker strategy, it’s simply that you’re out levelled. You’re not “out strategizing” your opponent if they end up with lots of weak units and no pop cap space and you bring out something that takes advantage of that. The game is about moves and counter moves. If I can terminate a unit, then I can play a counter unit, and the cost is that I lose that first unit and whatever tib it cost...

haha I have such decks but I prefer hammerhead/phantom over kodiak/basilisk