Not sure if discussed in past but want to talk about SCARABS. Only current early game hard counter are snipers. But they come at level 54 and scarabs are at 44 so that’s already terrible set up. Two tile attakers like mlrs or gigs cannon don’t work (one shot kill) either because they are infantry (even with two level difference). Yeah you have disruptor on gdi end or centurion on nod end but you can’t wait to build a tech lab to turn tide of battle. That’s too much early advantage. In addition the fact that they leave damaging flame afterwards makes early infantry kamakazie against them even more difficult. My proposal: since they are essentially mines, make them such. Turn them into vehicle build. This allows them to be more countered by current two tile attack units earlier but not too early to make them completely useless early game (people will still need to sacrifice some infantry). #2: If you want to leave mechanics the same, then increase the price so you can’t spam the crap out of them. Make them cost like 50. Or if want to keep the same price, then make it a true one for one trade. So either get rid of one scarab or make it two whole scarabs to kill one vehicle and three or four scarabs to kill miners.

Their status as infantry is actually helpful to counters, i.e., they can be rapidly trashed by basic infantry and buggy/rhino when you're on defense. The practice of rushing them with two 10-tib units, like basic infantry, is time-proven for a reason. 20 tib to erase a 30 tib unit = relatively cost effective. They key is to follow up rapidly with a Buggy/Rhino/Talon/Venom or some other anti-inf unit to hold the point and take out follow-up scarabs.

In theory the damaging flame sounds bad; in practice it's usually simple enough to fly an anti-inf aircraft over it, run an anti-inf vehicle through it, or run anti-inf infantry around it. 🙂You might also want to know that any pro (I'm not a pro!) can tell you that Scarabs have been considered NONcompetitive for a long time. Scary for newer players when they look at it on paper but a joke for most in practice. And not just because Snipers. Standard meta is to rush the two basic infantry/later on doggos became an option/and now cyberwheels - that's standard meta for a good reason. 🤓

I used to counter them quite effectively with $10 drones. Now since they upped the price of the drones to twenty bucks, I can no longer counter them until I reach hi tiers units.Devs. Why such hate for GDI? The increase to 20 bucks now really puts the favor on NOD. They weren't powerful to begin with and any missile or laser trooper could easily take them out.

MarineCpl. Thanks for the reply. Just wanted to clarify...The thing that made me post this in the first place is the fact that a middle or laser trooper CANNOT take them out. A scarab can literally walk up, charge and blow up your infantry and at a lower level too(level six scarab vs level 9 missle trooper). To me that’s ridiculous. That’s not how they are designed to work. They are supposed to be siege/defensive units and if they are being used as attacking units. that’s simply wrong.

I tried to trade it with talon by flying over it but it doesn't work. One scarab left.

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Anonymous
7 years ago
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Their status as infantry is actually helpful to counters, i.e., they can be rapidly trashed by basic infantry and buggy/rhino when you're on defense.
The practice of rushing them with two 10-tib units, like basic infantry, is time-proven for a reason. 20 tib to erase a 30 tib unit = relatively cost effective. They key is to follow up rapidly with a Buggy/Rhino/Talon/Venom or some other anti-inf unit to hold the point and take out follow-up scarabs.
Anonymous
7 years ago
Approved
In theory the damaging flame sounds bad; in practice it's usually simple enough to fly an anti-inf aircraft over it, run an anti-inf vehicle through it, or run anti-inf infantry around it. 🙂
You might also want to know that any pro (I'm not a pro!) can tell you that Scarabs have been considered NONcompetitive for a long time. Scary for newer players when they look at it on paper but a joke for most in practice. And not just because Snipers. Standard meta is to rush the two basic infantry/later on doggos became an option/and now cyberwheels - that's standard meta for a good reason. 🤓
Marine_CorporaI
7 years ago
I used to counter them quite effectively with $10 drones. Now since they upped the price of the drones to twenty bucks, I can no longer counter them until I reach hi tiers units.
Devs. Why such hate for GDI? The increase to 20 bucks now really puts the favor on NOD. They weren't powerful to begin with and any missile or laser trooper could easily take them out.
arabking1985
7 years ago
MarineCpl. Thanks for the reply. Just wanted to clarify...The thing that made me post this in the first place is the fact that a middle or laser trooper CANNOT take them out. A scarab can literally walk up, charge and blow up your infantry and at a lower level too(level six scarab vs level 9 missle trooper). To me that’s ridiculous. That’s not how they are designed to work. They are supposed to be siege/defensive units and if they are being used as attacking units. that’s simply wrong.
arabking1985
7 years ago
Thanks for the suggestion.i saw the rifleman unit suggestion on reddit as a counter, but my issue is If one unit specifically then dictates that I have to have one specific counter that destroys the whole flexibility of the game. I don’t know about the rhino. But what also irritates me is that one scarab can take out a buggy. That’s crazy. If they want to keep it as two infantry to take out one scarab fine. But then it should be two scarab to a vehicle. And to rule out the infantry thing scarab/chem buggy combo is a huge pain.
xrmiao4
7 years ago
I tried to trade it with talon by flying over it but it doesn't work. One scarab left.
arabking1985
7 years ago
Xrm my point exactly. Once they are in position, way too hard to take out. And they zone out huge areas with choke points with all these maps at platinum and diamond level with rocks in the way
xrmiao4
7 years ago
I see it's because talon turns. If it flies straight it will success. Talon has a ridiculous slow turning rate.
arabking1985
7 years ago
But doesn’t talon cost more or at least as much as a scarab?
DarkGarithos
7 years ago
i totally disagree on scarab rework, scarab easy to counter, full stop.