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Warfrost42
Rising Adventurer
9 months ago

Dear EA- NOBODY WANTS A LIVE SERVICE DRAGON AGE GAME

Dragon Age The Veilguard lacking live service elements is NOT why it failed. Here, let me tell you some of the reasons why it failed:

*  Weak dialogue writing. Especially Rook's(the player character). The overall dialogue was pretty shallow and basic...like a tween comic book.

*  It was NOT a "role playing game" even though you marketed it as such

*  The marketing was way off base and catered to tween anime types(which has NEVER been the            appropriate market for Dragon Age)

*  There was a severe lack of available interaction between the player character and companions. In previous DA games we could have lengthy in-depth conversations with companions to get to know them. In Veilguard you could only talk to them when the game said it was ok. even in the player base(the Lighthouse) the player couldn't chat with companions at-will. When you walk close to companions they say a line or two and then stop and stare at Rook who never responds because for some puzzling reason you guys removed Rook's autodialogue which contributed to Rook feeling like an isolated outcast. People play and love DA games for the companions and our relationships with them.

*  The romances were overall shallow, brief and unrewarding, Especially Lucanis'. The game was definitely NOT meant for a mature audience. It is PG 13 at best, which is another insult to DA's traditional market. Romances are a big part of DA games for players. Veilguard's romances can't even compare to DAI's.

*  Why did you put in a nudity button where is literally NO nudity. Side-butt is NOT nudity. Another failure of the romances.

*  Limited dialogue choices. Rook has limited choices on the dialogue wheel, and they all result in similar responses. There is NO roleplay here, period. In fact, even when you WANT to be a **bleep** and the dialogue wheel response looks like you're going to be, Rook ends up saying something polite and fuzzy. Are you
KIDDING me?

*  The elephant in the room- Taash. You want representation in Dragon Age? Sure it's been in every game, however you want to make GOOD representation. A one-dimensional character whose entire existence is based on their gender identity is NEVER good writing. It's ESPECIALLY not good writing when that character is unlikeable, rude, hypocritical, and dumb as a bag of rocks. Taash was supposed to be 20-22 but written like a fifteen-sixteen year old brat. Why say she's 20-22? So people could feel ok about romancing them? Tacky. You want a good example of representation? Just look at Dorian from DAI. His troubles stem from him resisting cultural norms and daddy issues. He's a complex character who grows during the duration of the game who isn't defined by his sexuality. Taash falls flat in comparison. Taash IS defined by being non-binary. That's Taash...the non-binary who happens to do a bit of dragon hunting. That isn't complex nor interesting, and the character being obnoxious doesn't help at all. 

*  There were VERY limited World State choices from previous games, which has also been a staple of DA. Why? Veilguard completely disregards the vast majority of what players chose in previous games.

*  The game was left with no real endings or tie-ups. The epilogues, which are also a staple of Dragon Age games, just went over what we did in the game. WE KNOW- WE WERE THERE. We needed to have the stories wrapped up, consequences, results, and MOST OF ALL what happened with our love interest. We got NONE of that. 

*  The game feels cut off...like suddenly the Powers That Be decided it needed to be released earlier than intended, so the game got cut off at the knees. 

*  These are SOME of the reasons Veilguard failed, but I can ONE HUNDRED PERCENT assure you that it has NOTHING to do with Veilguard lacking Live Service game elements. It would have crashed and burned even worse than it did. I can also tell you that long-time fans of Dragon Age feel dishonored, disrespected, and betrayed. We waited TEN YEARS for this? The frustrating thing is that you can see the game had immense potential- you can see it in there, but DA fans(and I assure you Mass Effect fans) are wondering if EA is so far removed from knowing their own customers that they are incapable of giving us a solid game. There are others hoping ME4 crashes and burns so maybe you'd sell DA and ME to someone who would do the games justice for us. 

WE ALL HATE LIVE SERVICE. VEILGUARD FAILED BECAUSE OF BAD DECISIONS

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  • This "Live service" argument isn't really good when people looks at Kingdom Come : Deliverance II (AA game).

    Kingdom Come: Deliverance II - One million copies sold in 24 hours.

     

  • Also, the 2 companions format. Four people is the staple of an adventuring party. Not three. Trying to Mass Effect Dragon Age's system in some pathetic attempt to "reach younger audiences" was very very stupid. EA doesn't get RPG. They should lose Custody of the game. 

  • Warfrost42's avatar
    Warfrost42
    Rising Adventurer
    2 months ago

    I emphatically agree. Dragon Age is supposed to be dark fantasy and 100% NOT FOR CHILDREN.

    It's clear by what happened with DAV that EA has no respect for players nor the game itself. They should sell it. Offer it to Larian. We'd get something unique in the franchise but Larian respects players, the money and time they invest in their games, and they would respect Dragon Age itself. EA's impression that DA fans so stupid we'd buy any trash they slapped the DA name on is offensive. 

    I'm not sure even Bioware has much respect for either. They were too busy making an agenda advertisement after sitting on trying to make it a live service game for too long. The whole DAV situation has fostered a bit of hate within me for both EA and BW, and it pisses me off that Mass Effect, a game that I think is vastly overrated, gets more attention and care.

  • for one the lack of romance is a cultural choice made by politicians after decades of gaming. You can't blame EA for not having sex scenes. Now two the game should be seen for what it always has been and thats a half disinterested  attempt by EA to steal part of the rpg market Live service or no it will never have a spirited development leader that cares about what their doing. Forgive me if i categorize this wrong but I believe it was Mark Darrah that said started DA for money reasons. So just quit believing so deeply in the spirit of these EA devs and move on

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    Warfrost42
    Rising Adventurer
    2 months ago

    Why is it whenever people talk about a game having lacking romances there's always the guy that immediately assumes you're talking about sex scenes? 

    It' not about "believing deeply". It's about having invested a TON of time in these games that we love only to have them be destroyed by Suits in EA, and Bioware itself allowing it to happen but ensuring their poorly executed agenda was in place. Very clearly DAO had "spirited leadership" since it's still a beloved RPG by DA fans. 

    As far "quitting believing deeply": you sound like an abused dog. You know your going get hit with the rolled up newspaper no matter what you do and you just accept it. That's utterly absurd to me. We invest our time into these games, which means we invest parts of our lives into them. We also invest parts of our finances into these games, which also means we are sacrificing those finances to play them.

    I do not believe it's wrong for players to expect a modicum of respect from publishers and developers, and to expect them to not treat us like idiots "that will buy anything we throw in front of them with 'Dragon Age' written on the cover". We will not. We also shouldn't tolerate bad dialogue, short cuts and laziness. I have standards and the fact that neither EA nor Bioware get that and just think of us as mindless wallets with no concept of what's quality or trash is offensive. They should respect us and treat us accordingly when they make a product. 

    I know a lot of people that are hoping ME4 fails catastrophically like DAV did. Then maybe EA would either sell them off or shut them down and sell Dragon Age off, which let's face it- if they don't give a **bleep** about the property they should have done that years ago instead of trying to swindle fans with a half-assed live service piece of garbage. 

    At this point EA and Bioware had burned many bridges with DA fans and it all comes down to lack of respect for their product and the people who pay for it, illustrated by their animosity towards the bad reviews at the beginning and that turned into abject apathy. All they would have had to do to mend those bridges is fix the **bleep** game by giving players what they expected, which was a well-written game with great dialogue, interesting characters, and all the depth we've come to expect from a DA game. But no- they've quadrupled down on being alright with making mediocrity, and they don't deserve the loyalty players have had in the past.

  • Fred_vdp's avatar
    Fred_vdp
    Hero+
    2 months ago
    Warfrost42 wrote:

    I know a lot of people that are hoping ME4 fails catastrophically like DAV did. Then maybe EA would either sell them off or shut them down and sell Dragon Age off

    Mark Darrah said in his Q&A that EA doesn't sell IPs or studios.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iVMUBSdKoGo

  • Warfrost42's avatar
    Warfrost42
    Rising Adventurer
    2 months ago

    Yeah that tells me all I need to know about EA. That's fine. Now anytime I see "EA" attached to a game I just keep scrolling. I'm not going to get invested in another game series of theirs just be **bleep** on by them again.  They can keep DA and leave it in the refuse pile where they've apparently had it the entire time. 

  • Fred_vdp​
    I think they would sell it if the price is right. They even have to, because they are accountable to their shareholders.
    But itm nobody would pay the money that would be required for that IP,  not after how DAtV preformed. 

    Larian on the other hand would never consider it, they just walked away from a 100% success BG4 to do their own stuff. 

  • Warfrost42's avatar
    Warfrost42
    Rising Adventurer
    2 months ago

    Larian walked away from BG3 for several reason, including rumors of difficulties dealing with WotC and by extension Hasbro, but BG3 was also not their own IP. If they were to acquire DA it would then be their own franchise even if they didn't create it. Nobody would have a say in how they handled it. In fact, if they did happen to do so(I know it's a pipe dream), I think they'd be well served doing an entire reboot of the whole franchise and take it where THEY want it to go. We'd actually get the dark fantasy we've wanted all along.

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