Re: Car slides during the turn

Here I am attaching 2 videos with a standard preset and a small video of the race where you can also see how the car slides

https://youtu.be/-bb-ay7st0Q

https://youtu.be/atY34f0Ct5Q

I think even full TC can't cope with abusing throttle this much. 🤭

Like @Blackbird90 is hinting at and like I said before, you'll need to work on that footwork. Both the brake and throttle application.

Two examples of braking and throttle application for F1 cars. If you can't make sense of those graphs, let me know 👍

There's a slope for the braking and a modulation of the throttle for a reason. You need to keep the correct tyres properly loaded. That entails both not overwhelming them (too much braking and steering at the same time for instance) and not underloading them (abrupt release of the brakes or abrupt throttle application while cornering, unloading the front tyres).

For downforce heavy cars like F1, you still need to account for the gradual loss of grip as the speed goes down. On the example below, the "A" car is a F1 car. Notice how there's a first, shallow slope for the first part while the driver brakes in a straight line, and a more sharp slope as the driver trail brakes into the corner.

The "B" trace is for a GT3 car. It's a different approach for the same corner, trail braking deeper into it. 

Both cases however are notorious for not having a "on or off" braking.

Why I didn't have a such problems in F1 22, only in 23?

@BERGoDAVThe handling model improved. I don't use assists but I guess those got rebalanced as well, @ScarDuck14 can speak to that.

The point is, there's no way you're going to have a balanced car and be able to take those corners fast with those abrupt inputs. That would be unrealistic.

No one should expect a car to take a slow speed corner like if it was on rails if braking and throttle are applied like that.

If you're willing to give it a shot, there are many good resources and guides out there, including Youtube. We can certainly point you in the right direction.

First thing you should look at are Trail Braking guides. Or guides to turning off ABS and TC - even if you don't intend to turn those assists off, these guides will teach you the proper technique.

@Meza994I don’t use TC so it doesn’t cause issue for me. But for those it does. I’ve driven pretty much every racing game since pole position. And when they started adding in game TC. No TC has ever acted this bad. Yes I expect it to break traction with extreme inputs but as with TC IRL you should still be able to catch it as I have extreme amounts of experience with. But you can’t the front wheels stick and car just rotates round.

But not going to argue the point with you as your always right 🙄

@mariohomoh found this; https://youtu.be/N4kcLyYhThE

@Monzstar83 yep, love this video! It's not new but I often mention it (not here, naturally) when talking about maintenance throttle and using the gas to keep the car on the limit in tin tops. I'm not sure what connection you're seeing here to the discussion?

I mean, there are definitely some, but I could see people trying to argue both ways here.

Senna's iconic blips, as I believe going from memory that Mansell also noted:

• Helped on those old turbos to keep the turbo spooling and have immediate power on exit instead of having to wait for the turbo to wind up as the engine revved from a lower range
• Helped keeping the car on the limit by redistributing the load quickly and keeping any wheel from locking up
• Would hardly work on today's heavy cars as it's all about platform control and humongous downforce,and the blips are detrimental to that - still valid and useful for GT or low downforce cars though, as I said. Driving the likes of the FF1600 and with no time you'll find yourself instinctively doing that to keep the car balanced throughout all phases of the corner 

In a way, Senna used the throttle much like Schumacher and Alonso (on his earlier run) used his steering: extracting extra performance from the car either by keeping it balanced or to exploit those instants of traction loss to get extra rotation out of it.

Much like ScarDuck said, even with TC on real cars you can feel the car losing it and correct it. Those with an extra sense for it can use that to their advantage, or fine tune their butts to know precisely when to let it go (or to blip it) to keep the tyres hard at the work you intend them to do.

OP's inputs in those videos unfortunately don't fall on that bucket and aren't going to work on a 2023 car, or on F1 23 game.

This discussion sidetracked to the throttle application, but the braking should not be understated. With that "boxed" braking (0-100-100-100-0 with no in-between and no gradual release on corner entry) it just aggravates the slides as the car is unbalanced, struggling to go through the mid corner, and not properly loaded to take on that similarly abrupt throttle stomp.

@mariohomoh regarding the throttle, I thought it backs up what your saying, in that the repeated stabbing causes lots of understeer/oversteer combing with turning the wheel past the point of traction