I have some serious issues with F1 22, some of them are listed below:1. Handling is atrocious, cars have horrendous understeer everywhere2. Cars have no grip, feels like driving on ice3. Cars dont feel planted on the racetrack, feels like they are floating instead, overall feels like Im driving a boat4. Downforce model feels non-existent5. Throttle application is actually way off compared to irl F1 and actually harder than irl, which is surprising for a simcadeI have heard that a new guy at Codies is in charge of the handling department, hopefully he does a complete overhaul for F1 24 and beyond, as 23 is most likely completed already.The fact that irl F1 drivers like Lando Norris have said using medium traction control is more realistic than no traction control, for a simcade, which is supposed to be easier than irl, is alarming. Yes I know Lando said that back in 2020 about F1 2019, but tbh, it hasnt changed much since.

@ScarDuck14 Well if EA allows, I could explain what I worked on, but of course I wont be able to say what exactly is in the game.Of course I won't say anything without EA approval out of respect towards them and the F1 team.

@dancrodrigues You can sort of do that already with the Throttle and Brake Linearity settings in the game. But that requires effort and commitment beyond copying "eSports" setups from TT rankings or youtube 🤷♂️

@dancrodriguesWhat you are talking about is not Throttle Map by the way, but is Throttle Shape.A Throttle Map is something that changes the way throttle behaves as torque and rpms change. And is something that needs to be done in code in order to improve the throttle model of the game, which by the way, only a couple of simracing titles have. AC and even ACC still use the older throttle model, which is not bad and works well most of the times.A Throttle Shape in the other hand, is a constant shape that doesn't change with engine rpm and torque, and this can be done via the linearity and saturation settings within the game, as @mariohomoh mentioned already.

I find it really weird that people complain a lot about understeer yet (at least on Pad) its the most direct steering ever in the F1 games and its understeering less than IRL.. So what should it be people? Realism or a car that turns at any speed you want just like Need for Speed?

@Blackbird90 Nico has his own thing going on with his crusade against EA. This is not the first time and unfortunately will definitely not be the last where correcting what is factually wrong ends up going nowhere.That said, thank you! Haha I have a handful of videos from that channel on a couple of old playlists but had completely neglected to subscribe to him. The one you linked was new to me.And regarding #5, I wish people could spend more time trying to wrap their minds around that.Yes, F1 cars have incredible grip. And incredible power.So when a driver gets their butt on a F1 car and talks about how they've never felt so glued to the road, yes, that is correct. They would never take a given corner at 140kph on other racing cars and yet the F1 goes through it with ease. They would never exit said corner with so much acceleration on other racing cars and yet the F1 car is reaching 200kph with ease.But that's going way under the limit of the car. They hit the apex at 140kph? A F1 driver on a hotlap hits it at 170. They reached 200kph on exit surprisingly fast? A F1 driver gets there in a fraction of the time.F1 cars still hit their limit, and just like with any other car you'll get understeer if it is the front axle breaking traction and oversteer or wheelspin if it is the rear axle losing it. There's a good amount of sliding and twitching all the time when a driver is pushing, and if you look at the telemetry of a hotlap you'll always notice a good degree of throttle modulation and countersteering.Traction in the game is still off and does need tweaking, but I'd be willing to bet that better FFB would go a looong way into curbing down the complaints. Perhaps even a tweaked throttle response, with more progressive power curve simulating a progressive throttle map, coupled with better FFB could significantly transform people's perspective of the current handling model without fiddling with grip values, leaving the more substantial improvements to a future title.

An overhaul of the handling, downforce model and throttle application

27 Replies

Cpayne32
Hero+
3 years ago
@itsryan2024 I agree with what you have said. The steering i feel benefits those with higher end wheels and doesn’t make it easier for those that play on controller or with budget wheels (that may be my settings though).

As for traction, it may be im not use to it yet but I frequently run faster with full tc on but i do feel its holding me back
ScarDuck14
Legend
3 years ago
David Greco has done the handling for this years game (F1 23) He kindly answered a question I had. Which he said that he’s been working on the handling this year and also working with the Controller/Wheel team and I will be pleasantly surprised by the results.

After I raised issues mainly to do will controller support or the lack off it
That said proof will be in the eating
mariohomoh
Hero (Retired)
3 years ago
@itsryan2024 They are aware of those issues, both the real ones and the only perceived ones.

No new guy for the handling model on F1 24. Still our good lad David Greco. If you can think of a F1 game with a "oh, now that's a good handling and driving experience", chances are Mr. Greco was the main dev responsible for it too.

The woes of the current F1 22 handling is not down to a single name. Changing the lead handling designer won't necessarily makes things – specially when it is one dev with a proven track record of delivery good handling models.

The current bad state of the game and subpar driving experience is most likely due to managerial decisions taken up the ladder, putting time and resource constraints on the devs.

If that's indeed the case, if those franchise-wide decisions keep on being made and you replace a dev unequivocally capable of delivering a good handling model for a new one, I wouldn't take that as evidence of things changing for the better.
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
I find it really weird that people complain a lot about understeer yet (at least on Pad) its the most direct steering ever in the F1 games and its understeering less than IRL.. So what should it be people? Realism or a car that turns at any speed you want just like Need for Speed?
ScarDuck14
Legend
3 years ago
@Meza994Turning in isn’t the problem. But coming out off corners. Front end has a tendency to washout under acceleration.
After you’ve got past the spinny stage obviously
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@ScarDuck14 Well from what F1 teams and drivers complained about that wasnt unrealistic in the game.. but i know what you mean!
Blackbird90
3 years ago
@itsryan2024 Do you happen to have any videos of your driving on F1 22?
BadMayh3m
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@itsryan2024 about every 6 weeks someone says basically the same thing.
Everyone of your problems can be fixed with setup.
The truth is if they overhaul the game at least half will NOT be happy.
The handling was AMAZING at the launch of F1 22 but people had a fit and they FIXED it.....you can thank them.
No reason to think the same thing probably wont happen again but we can HOPE!
Hempyjr
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@BadMayh3m Indeed the handling was amazing in F1 22 at launch, i hope F1 23 will be the same at launch and not be changed again after some complains here on the forum. Usually i play F1 2021 and F1 2020 with AI at level 90, in F1 22 i was able to raise it to 103-104 at launch before they changed and then back to 90, now i think the handling it's similar to F1 2021, at least the way i feel it.
LuckyNico92
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@itsryan2024

1: Not just that, but when you play with no or medium TC and you happen to step on the throttle one millimeter too much, you send the car into a 180 spin.

2: Exactly. You can't go as fast as in say F1 2020 anymore, and if you even dare to try it, your race is over before it even began.

3: Suzuka, Dunlop corner. Need I say more?

4: Yes, and this is especially present when you have all aero upgrades in Career Mode. They barely improve the downforce in general. Though when I think back, this was no issue in F1 2020, only since 2021.

5: Yep. Hit the gas one bit too much, instant spin, whereas the AI can basically full throttle through every single S turn in the game without spinning their cars.

If you ask me, the most realistic F1 game truly was 2020. Extremely good grip, the AI are not totally overpowered, and racing those cars feels insanely thrilling and extremely rewarding when you reach the finish line. With 2021, I had zero fun at all, and in F1 22, it was fine for a little bit until EA decided to change the handling model, making it yet again Need for Speed with F1 cars.