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3 years ago

I just get so frustrated with you, F1 22!

I have never gone on a message board and complained about a product before. I don't want to be that guy. I created an account this year just to point out a bug I found. But this game, man.....

I want to love it. For the most part, I do. Well, at least now. When I first bought it, F1 22 was the worst mess of a bugged out game I can ever remember playing. But it's mostly playable for what I want now, which is just a fair fight and good racing. I get that most of the time now. But when this game fails, it is the worst gaming experience I can have. And it fails most when it rains in the game. And damn, does it rain a lot. A. Lot.

I've found my ideal difficulty level, and sometimes I over-achieve, and other times I mess up on strategy or make mistakes and finish farther back than I should. But on average, I'm right where I should be for the car I have. Until it rains. In France, I had a wet race from start to finish. I qualified well using a wet set up knowing the race was coming, but I retired by choice by lap 30 to save the car. I started 16th and was last by the end of lap 1, as cars blew by on the back straight like I was standing still, yet still got in and out of the corners as fast or faster than I could possibly do. It's like they had less downforce for the straight line speed, without any effect on cornering in the wet. I was 2-3 seconds slower per lap than everyone. But I tried to convince myself that maybe I'm just not good in France in the rain, despite years of playing F1 games and being comparably competitive in all conditions. But then...

I moved on and just raced in Belgium. I had a fantastic qualifying, and after a few penalties, started P9. I absolutely botched the tyre strategy, and wound up around P16 midway through the race, which is about where I normally belong, but I had so much more pace. By late in the race, I was catching a pack of cars now that I had a tyre advantage (even setting fastest lap), but with 3 laps to go....rain. By the end of that lap, I'm being called in for Inters, along with everyone else, and I need them! But in just 2 laps, I lost a minimum of 8 seconds to everyone else, except the top 4 in the race. They never stopped at all. Instead, they completed 2 laps of Spa, in pouring rain with a fully wet track, going only 15 seconds slower than anyone with inters. Imagine what happened to Norris in Russia last year? Not to these four. I watched the replay. No lock ups. No understeer into corners. No snap oversteer out of corners. No wheel spin. They didn't even go off line once. In those conditions, I figure a driver on slicks would have to do at least 3:30-4:00 laps to stay on the track. They did 2:10-2:14 lap times. At least Sainz spun twice, which was something. Though the second time he banged the wall hard with the left rear, got NO DAMAGE, and continued on for 3rd. Yet I have to tip-toe around on Inters, correcting for wheel spin and oversteer. Like it should be, I'd like to add.

And of course, let's not forget when you are the unfortunate one to be lapped right before a safety car comes out, and all those cars you've been chasing down for 10 laps get a free pass around the track while you get to go through a blue flag hell on the restart, stuck a lap down. Talk about a race killer. Yet after years and years of this, I suppose I've given up on a properly working SC ever coming back.

I am so tired of there being one set of gameplay rules for players, and a completely different set for AI. Wet weather, damage sustained with contact, penalties. It's all one thing for players, and another for AI. And in an instant, I go from having a competitive, fun race, to having no reason to continue.

I do love you F1 22. I also hate your guts a lot of the time.

f1 22

11 Replies

ScarDuck14
Legend
3 years ago
@BG_warrior If your using a pad and full TC the rain will kill you. And your not alone:

Rain is scripted and as a intake excite mechanic is comes after everyone has made their mandatory stop. And it may rain for a while but it will only get wet enough for inters with a few laps left. So you are given a challenge similar to Norris at Russia. However the odds will be stacked against you: With only a few laps left the ai will stay out on slicks and although they slow down it’s nothing compared to us: if we stay out: 90% your going to crash out. So you stop: now the excite mechanic has you. 3 laps left and your faster and on the right tyres.: Can you chase down the ai who’s speak it’s now dramatically reduced… Last year? Yes but this year not a chance. And having spent 2 hours in practice and race etc and been amazing all race: A game mechanic destroys any excitement you did have. Well excitable you maybe but because your raging.

I don’t mind if these things happen once a season but it’s pretty much every time it rains. The only difference you get is dry to wet. Or wet to dry. And I would be ok losing and seeing a couple hours off my life wasted if that loss was organic. But it isn’t.

Like you I love the F1 games. Nearly a 1000 hours last year. And I hate flaming the devs as I’ve been a codemasters fan boy for 30 years but this year it’s been very trying:

Couple off tips if you are using a pad… ai are strong on short tight tracks and street circuits. We humans are stronger on fast circuits such as spa, Monza, Silverstone:. Basically any corner your having to take in 1st - 3rd gears. The ai will be faster
BG_warrior
3 years ago
I'm not using a pad, and the type of controller is completely beside the point, anyway.
AEF251
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
So again I say, let us change AI mid session to allow us to deal with these issues since every patch has the potential to make things worse even if a previous one fixes it.
BG_warrior
3 years ago
That wouldn't help in this case. I'd be forced to choose between having to nerf the cars on slicks by lowering the difficulty so much that I am also ridiculously faster than the cars around me who are on the proper tyre, or lowering it just enough to bring the difficulty in line with the Inters but still having those on slicks turning insane lap times for the conditions. One of the best parts of this year's game is that the AI actually tries different strategies. Too bad that in changing conditions that means you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
BadMayh3m
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@BG_warrior You have a setup issue also why put on inters in full wet conditions?
Bauersome
Rising Scout
3 years ago
This is my experience as well. I only play career mode and so when you have put the time into finding the right difficulty level, completing practice programs, full qualy sessions - it is incredibly frustrating to have the game do you over by badly coded AI. The starts they get off the line are insane - even on 70 degree tyres - the pace they have in the wet is superhuman - and their ability crash (normally into me) and come out of it without any damage is just insulting. I don't want my AI to be passive but I do want them to have to follow the laws of physics. I am sure this will be met with 'turn the AI level down' but that is not the case at all.
I share your pain.
Dan78loki
3 years ago
Hmm I hit miami for the first time qualyd 19 in the dry. Then comes the wet race I thought that's it I'm done.
Actually done ok kept up with the ai and in some places were faster. Hit a dry spell and ai came in for softs I stayed out and came in 12 in the end ok inters. So was surprised I enjoyed it tbh. Did better than I thought.
BG_warrior
3 years ago
@BadMayh3m Wow. Increadibly helpful comment. Thank you. There is no "set up issue" in changing conditions during a race. All cars are in parc ferme. I adjusted the wing, diff and break bias, and that's all I could do. If the AI were following the same physics, the wet conditions would affect all cars more or less the same. They do not. And I never said full wets were required. I only said the track was fully wet, meaning slicks should not be an option. And nothing in your very insightful post addresses how AI can be on slicks, in wet conditions, and lose very little time to those on wet weather tyres.
BG_warrior
3 years ago
@Dan78loki Yeah, the inconsistency is what is so aggravating. I was also pretty competitive in the rain in Miami, and again today at Zandvoort, where it started in the rain. I keep notes on each race I can use to prepare for the next season. Here was part of those notes from Miami:

Good pace, but AI traction out of slow corners in wet still crazy, made passing extremely tough.

Having wet conditions in one-third of all races so far hasn't helped either.
BG_warrior
3 years ago
@Bauersome Yes. Just play by the same rules. That's literally all I want out of the AI. Once we are all starting from the same point, I'll figure out the right difficulty, the quirks and the unrealistic idiosyncrasies of the game to suite my play. But the AI have to follow the same rules first.