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@CO88LER5 wrote:
@Danimal5981
I agree with your sentiments.
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With regard to the European Cup, Its past history was of a range of clubs from different countries winning it. That will NEVER be the case again, from the looks of it.
That's why I look at other clubs in this game; because I want to fantasise about taking things back to how they were.
Any clubs in particular? Are we talking big international teams from the past, like Hamburg, Reims, Steaua, Malmö, or rather fallen giants on a national level such as Kaiserslautern, Anderlecht, or Deportivo La Coruña?
@thurlow885 wrote:
I kinda agree, it's just the more popular theory running around out there suggesting they wanted certain comps up to date. Whilst I would've liked it from the start and live starts update weekly my guess is transfer window
Transfer window is truly a qualified guess. That would actually make sense. But yeah, it could be great, if they'd made all the ground work beforehand, so one could get a live start point soon after a manager being sacked or other happenings that could generate a live start point. We'll see how it goes.
@JustinCase0110 wrote:
@thurlow885 wrote:Dunno how true, but heard they waiting for FA Cup 3rd round draw then everyone's cup comletit7will be correct/up-to-date and be released after that.
I would find it very strange, if the FA Cup draw would have anything to do with it. I know EA have a preference for the English league system, as evidenced by 4 Football League tiers compared to 3 in Germany and maximum 2 everywhere else.
But I can't see how a draw for a national cup competition's 3rd round would have anything to do with the introduction of the live start points that were announced months ago. I appreciate you mentioning this, providing this kind of information that could perhaps cast light on the matter. But this one I really don't buy.
I kinda agree, it's just the more popular theory running around out there suggesting they wanted certain comps up to date. Whilst I would've liked it from the start and live starts update weekly my guess is transfer window
@CO88LER5 wrote:@Danimal5981I recall 1989, discussing with my brother-in-law the need to fire Alex Ferguson (he was the one saying it; I said he needed time).
I remember the 'Ta-Ra Fergie' banners in the Stretford End...
You're right; managers are not given time; HOWEVER:
the one thing about EtH is that, over 2.5 years, he'd pretty much got an entire side of players that he mostly wanted and yet there was no discernible playing style and the club seemed to be going backwards. Many of those players are ones he's previously worked with, presumably recruited with a way of playing in mind that we could expect them to know and be comfortable with. It simply wasn't working.
Whoever comes in next simply has to be good, AND given time. They have to be good at improving what they have inherited, because there won't be a whole load of new ones coming in.
I must confess that I'm getting sick of the constant change and some of that must be down to a core of players that can't be bothered. Someone needs to put the fear of god into them.The thing about Arteta and Klopp was that, even in the early months and years, you could see improvement in playing style and results. Under EtH, the club seems to be oing backwards in terms of league results and no development of a playing style.
I agree: with Onana, Mazraoui, De Ligt, Martinez, Eriksen, Antony and previously Van den Beek you've had an Ajax reincarnated playing in the Premier League. And for the sake of argument, lets add Zirkzee and Malacia and a considerable part of the staff. It indeed has been obvious that EtH wanted to introduce his Dutch School Ajax-induced tactics.
But the Dutch School works in those places where they play Dutch football week in, week out; meaning Holland - maybe in the odd European fixture. It will never work on a structural basis elsewhere and definitely not at clubs that traditionally aren't used to playing that way: the only places where the Dutch school might work outside of the Netherlands, are Barcelona or Bayern Munich, that's about it.
In England, I would say Arsenal comes closest to what we would call Dutch School - please, don't mix it with Gegenpressing or Tiki-Taka that in turn are evolutions of Dutch Total Football, but the Dutch School is much more based on overload while in possession, making the field wide via wing-play. Tiki-Taka is short passing, through the middle if need be, while Gegenpressing is a direct play with overload when out of posession - so, they're different.
The dynamics are different: in the Dutch league, you play teams that apply similar tactics, plus the intensity and speed of the game is considerably lower than in England. That's why Ajax, PSV or Feyenoord usually go through most of the league easily, making it possible to really charge themselves for those 10-16 European fixtures they play in a season. In England you can hardly take it easy in order to save up for a European fixture: so, that's why EtH-tactics work in Amsterdam but not in Manchester.
I've used the argument many times: if you go abroad, you'll need to adapt. I think Klopp and now Slot at Liverpool are perfect examples. Sure, they'll try and fit in their view of the game onto the team, but they're doing it in a way that fits thát club from thát country in thát league. Vice versa, Liverpool made a great gesture by splitting the role of manager and head coach (as is common in most of continental Europe).
Other than that, the Dutch (managers and coaches) have never really fit well in England: Gullit, Van Gaal, Advocaat, Koeman, De Boer, now Ten Hag - all top orange dogs, most have been national managers, all failed. (Hiddink and Meulensteen were stop-gap solutions). In my opinion, only Jol did okay-ish during his spell at Spurs, given where Tottenham was at the time: but he really is of the not very Dutch hard-working labour, kick and rush, physical football - exactly what they're used to in England...
@JustinCase0110 wrote:@CO88LER5 maybe you're right. But still, the Premier League has also been first in line when it comes to player likenesses and the introduction of real stadiums etc. Real managers too. Serie A clubs are far behind, also due to licensing matters. France had a few teams scanned for this game, but are also far behind, whilst Germany and Spain have had both players and stadiums made in recent years. But still, far later than the English clubs that started this process much earlier.
I'm not saying this is wrong. It's okay for the English clubs to be first in line, as it's one of the most popular leagues around. I just don't believe that a 3rd round FA Cup draw will have anything to do with the introduction of the promised Live Start Points. I could be wrong though...
In club football, it is by far the most popular and appealing country worldwide. So any football game that takes itself seriously will go 'England first'. I see people here in Poland, who don't care much for their own league but are massive fans of clubs based in either England or Germany. And Barcelona, as Lewandowski scores his goals there, now...
I think the mass appeal of English football has come at a price and the best word to cover the load is authenticity. That (together with charm) has gone lost in the 21st century: they are not your traditional English football clubs anymore, rather a franchise with a dozen little corporations with football as a product. You see it in other countries too, but on a smaller scale; definitely not across an entire league.
And I think that's where my slight antipathy against English football comes from: in the 21st century European football has become the toy of an elite few, predominantly England (plus a handful of clubs such as Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, PSG and the odd Italian team). Big teams from more modest countries cannot get a foot in the door anymore: bigger clubs from Holland, Belgium, Portugal, Scotland, Türkiye, Austria, Denmark, Czechia, Croatia etc. I think it's the primary task of UEFA to guarantee somewhat of a level playing field between countries and their leagues and they've been very poor at it in the 21st century and that's mostly because of the strong lobby from corporate football as I started to call it.
@CO88LER5 maybe you're right. But still, the Premier League has also been first in line when it comes to player likenesses and the introduction of real stadiums etc. Real managers too. Serie A clubs are far behind, also due to licensing matters. France had a few teams scanned for this game, but are also far behind, whilst Germany and Spain have had both players and stadiums made in recent years. But still, far later than the English clubs that started this process much earlier.
I'm not saying this is wrong. It's okay for the English clubs to be first in line, as it's one of the most popular leagues around. I just don't believe that a 3rd round FA Cup draw will have anything to do with the introduction of the promised Live Start Points. I could be wrong though...
@Danimal5981I recall 1989, discussing with my brother-in-law the need to fire Alex Ferguson (he was the one saying it; I said he needed time).
I remember the 'Ta-Ra Fergie' banners in the Stretford End...
You're right; managers are not given time; HOWEVER:
the one thing about EtH is that, over 2.5 years, he'd pretty much got an entire side of players that he mostly wanted and yet there was no discernible playing style and the club seemed to be going backwards. Many of those players are ones he's previously worked with, presumably recruited with a way of playing in mind that we could expect them to know and be comfortable with. It simply wasn't working.
Whoever comes in next simply has to be good, AND given time. They have to be good at improving what they have inherited, because there won't be a whole load of new ones coming in.
I must confess that I'm getting sick of the constant change and some of that must be down to a core of players that can't be bothered. Someone needs to put the fear of god into them.
The thing about Arteta and Klopp was that, even in the early months and years, you could see improvement in playing style and results. Under EtH, the club seems to be oing backwards in terms of league results and no development of a playing style.
@thurlow885 wrote:
Dunno how true, but heard they waiting for FA Cup 3rd round draw then everyone's cup comletit7will be correct/up-to-date and be released after that.
I would find it very strange, if the FA Cup draw would have anything to do with it. I know EA have a preference for the English league system, as evidenced by 4 Football League tiers compared to 3 in Germany and maximum 2 everywhere else.
But I can't see how a draw for a national cup competition's 3rd round would have anything to do with the introduction of the live start points that were announced months ago. I appreciate you mentioning this, providing this kind of information that could perhaps cast light on the matter. But this one I really don't buy.
