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@JustinCase0110
"I know EA have a preference for the English league system, as evidenced by 4 Football League tiers compared to 3 in Germany and maximum 2 everywhere else."
Maybe I need to brush up on European football a bit more, but I thought it was because, in most European countries, outside the top two (3 in Germany) divisions, the clubs are mostly part-time, whereas in England, we have 4 divisions of professional teams - in fact, the Conference is increasingly littered with fully professional clubs.
Also, it might be linked to what is defined as a 'national divisional' organisation. In England, there have been 92 clubs in 'the league' (as in: the Football League) for the best part of 100 years, and since the 1950s they are four nationally-organised divisions. Not sure this is the case elsewhere...
Taking Italy as an example; beyond Serie B, I understand Serie C is three regional divisions...in Germany, after the 'national' third division it becomes regional.
So I'm not sure it is 'a preference' on the part of EA but more to do with organisational structure and the professional/non-professional status of most of the clubs.
"I know EA have a preference for the English league system, as evidenced by 4 Football League tiers compared to 3 in Germany and maximum 2 everywhere else."
Maybe I need to brush up on European football a bit more, but I thought it was because, in most European countries, outside the top two (3 in Germany) divisions, the clubs are mostly part-time, whereas in England, we have 4 divisions of professional teams - in fact, the Conference is increasingly littered with fully professional clubs.
Also, it might be linked to what is defined as a 'national divisional' organisation. In England, there have been 92 clubs in 'the league' (as in: the Football League) for the best part of 100 years, and since the 1950s they are four nationally-organised divisions. Not sure this is the case elsewhere...
Taking Italy as an example; beyond Serie B, I understand Serie C is three regional divisions...in Germany, after the 'national' third division it becomes regional.
So I'm not sure it is 'a preference' on the part of EA but more to do with organisational structure and the professional/non-professional status of most of the clubs.
@CO88LER5 maybe you're right. But still, the Premier League has also been first in line when it comes to player likenesses and the introduction of real stadiums etc. Real managers too. Serie A clubs are far behind, also due to licensing matters. France had a few teams scanned for this game, but are also far behind, whilst Germany and Spain have had both players and stadiums made in recent years. But still, far later than the English clubs that started this process much earlier.
I'm not saying this is wrong. It's okay for the English clubs to be first in line, as it's one of the most popular leagues around. I just don't believe that a 3rd round FA Cup draw will have anything to do with the introduction of the promised Live Start Points. I could be wrong though...
@JustinCase0110 wrote:@CO88LER5 maybe you're right. But still, the Premier League has also been first in line when it comes to player likenesses and the introduction of real stadiums etc. Real managers too. Serie A clubs are far behind, also due to licensing matters. France had a few teams scanned for this game, but are also far behind, whilst Germany and Spain have had both players and stadiums made in recent years. But still, far later than the English clubs that started this process much earlier.
I'm not saying this is wrong. It's okay for the English clubs to be first in line, as it's one of the most popular leagues around. I just don't believe that a 3rd round FA Cup draw will have anything to do with the introduction of the promised Live Start Points. I could be wrong though...
In club football, it is by far the most popular and appealing country worldwide. So any football game that takes itself seriously will go 'England first'. I see people here in Poland, who don't care much for their own league but are massive fans of clubs based in either England or Germany. And Barcelona, as Lewandowski scores his goals there, now...
I think the mass appeal of English football has come at a price and the best word to cover the load is authenticity. That (together with charm) has gone lost in the 21st century: they are not your traditional English football clubs anymore, rather a franchise with a dozen little corporations with football as a product. You see it in other countries too, but on a smaller scale; definitely not across an entire league.
And I think that's where my slight antipathy against English football comes from: in the 21st century European football has become the toy of an elite few, predominantly England (plus a handful of clubs such as Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, PSG and the odd Italian team). Big teams from more modest countries cannot get a foot in the door anymore: bigger clubs from Holland, Belgium, Portugal, Scotland, Türkiye, Austria, Denmark, Czechia, Croatia etc. I think it's the primary task of UEFA to guarantee somewhat of a level playing field between countries and their leagues and they've been very poor at it in the 21st century and that's mostly because of the strong lobby from corporate football as I started to call it.
- @Danimal5981
I agree with your sentiments.
I think it is to the detriment of football that 'corporate' (and now 'state', as in City, Newcastle, PSG and the like) ownership has become so dominant.
In England, I really do think Leicester City are the very last of the 'smaller clubs' to ever win the league - including the future, that is. That can't be right.
There is no real skills challenge anymore; it really is down to who has the biggest money pot.
With regard to the European Cup, Its past history was of a range of clubs from different countries winning it. That will NEVER be the case again, from the looks of it.
That's why I look at other clubs in this game; because I want to fantasise about taking things back to how they were.
@CO88LER5 wrote:
@Danimal5981
I agree with your sentiments.
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With regard to the European Cup, Its past history was of a range of clubs from different countries winning it. That will NEVER be the case again, from the looks of it.
That's why I look at other clubs in this game; because I want to fantasise about taking things back to how they were.Any clubs in particular? Are we talking big international teams from the past, like Hamburg, Reims, Steaua, Malmö, or rather fallen giants on a national level such as Kaiserslautern, Anderlecht, or Deportivo La Coruña?
- @Danimal5981
Past winners like those you name, and Celtic, and so on, stand no chance of winning in the future. It's now the preserve of the mega-clubs.
The last 20 winners have been from a small number of those big clubs.
