I hate this ping pong gameplay.

@ KiIiaN64

As I said, to each their own, you may feel like it's a snooze fest to have tighter games and I get that but many were also enjoying these type of games because it resembled a real football game rather than that where scoring is so easy and every team feels like it plays the same because of the unrealistic speed, passing, shooting, dribbling etc.

Tighter games meant more concentration, effort  and variation as you couldn't get away with doing the same crap all the time - for me that is boring and unenjoyable. 

As I said I get both sides (begrudgingly) which is why I blame EA for not having the option to revert to the previous patch for offline modes for those that want a proper football game. 

Also it is meant to be realistic 

how is games finishing 7-6 /6-5 etc replicate a real game of football?

The patch has been awful

The game panders to the YouTubers who want to spam skill moves!

SpiritBall89Honestly I can't tell what goes on when the other player pauses. I've had great ping until they pause and all of a sudden I'm hitting 70-100, I've had people that you are quite obviously better than suddenly become untouchable gods of the game. That's why I just call it one big jumbled mess. 

I don't care about AI defending being toned down, it used to be virtually non existent when I started playing fifa, but they need to buff keepers or remove timed finishing and add a bit more shot error. I don't enjoy every game finishing 7-6 or 5-4 and so on. It's just rubbish game design for a game that is based around football, and one where they apparently do so much work on realistic player animations. To then expect everything to be unrealistic after that is a bit ridiculous. Honestly, when my keeper saves something I go into shock and nearly have a heart attack, even when the shots from 30 yards.

I don't understand why people want it as easy as possible. Do I love goals? Yeah I do, but I've scored so many now that celebrating them isn't even enjoyable. I skip every celebration for goals I score because I would rather just get it over with than appreciate the goal. Scoring on this game is nothing to do with skill currently, I get it they want everyone to have their chance but that's what the division system is for. Make it so that you can only go up and not down so you don't get people abusing the system, then we all have no choice but to end up where we belong.

I understand that it would suck for someone who just went up a division but get good, I didn't sink years into this game hoping I would just miraculously end up in higher divisions with better rewards. I'm happy where I'm at, div3/2 I don't want super sweat elites every game, all the meta teams or players already crop up enough. If they were some of the most skilled players in the game, I'd rather not deal with it at my age and in my condition.

Oh the irony in all of this. When you actually don't defend manually, your defenders do a decent job. The moment you select a defender, your whole backline is out of sync with massive gaps and they literally shoot through your defenders every time. Before scoring might have been too hard, now scoring is far too easy. A middle ground must be found. And most importantly hackers need to be taken care off. And it's not only PC players. My last matches before I quit, like 1/3 of the hackers were on console. One of them basically disconnected in Champions when I was leading and the game was  counted as a "draw".

The patch saved this game, I love it. Reminds me of the older Fifas when the gameplay was still fun.

Obviously it’s still far from perfect and many things need to be tweaked, but it’s a step in the right direction.

I’ve played the FIFA series since 02 and FC25 was genuinely the worst game I have ever played, until the update.

I understand it’s not for everyone, but it baffles me how anyone can prefer the snoozefest of pre-patch gameplay, where passing was nonexistent and the AI was defending like prime Maldini.

It’s likely a combination of feedback as a lot of threads on here are actually mad it’s not more ping pong and faster. Youtubers also share that sentiment but it’s probably also from numbers and money as that was all down before the patch. 

But much like this thread it’s not enough and they are surprised a thread like this even exists where people prefer pre patch. 

https://forums.ea.com/discussions/fc-25-ultimate-team-en/gameplay-is-awful/11880168

Jesus... they are more delusional than I thought. Obviously they don't say who gave them positive reactions or how.

Thanks for sharing.

In the January 31 pitch notes. A snippet from it below. 

We saw your positive reactions to the previous Gameplay Refresh Update and want to make sure we’re maintaining a consistent gameplay experience, so we are not making any changes to the balance of the game in this update.

And to make it worse, these YouTubers and their followers were moaning that defending was overpowered and people need to learn to defend manually yet when the Refresh patch made it in to a pong pong, arcade s* fest a lot of the responses were that this is how it should be, you don't even have to think when passing, shooting or dribbling it should just work without effort - ironic and embarrassing comments.

As you said, only 1 or 2 games on the market who aim to replicate the beautiful game as a simulation so it's so frustrating to have to buy a game that was on the right track and then to endure this garbage because people want to abuse the gameplay.

I don't blame the community, however, to each their own but I would blame EA for mis-selling and false advertising - they are hiding from that like cowards after acknowledging my thread few weeks ago.

They have both gameplay mechanics now - pre and post Refresh patch so why not at least allow the option to revert to pre Refresh patch at least for offline modes so those that were enjoying the non-arcady gameplay can at least go back to enjoying that?