http://blog.bioware.com/2017/05/09/mass-effect-andromeda-patch-1-06-notes/
There you go people.
@Abex81 wrote:
The endings of Mass Effect should have teach them a lesson. You cant end 3 games, which sold millions of copies and engaged tons of fans all over the world, with a cop out choice red blue or green in the last ten minutes.
I remeber very well those days, when they called people a vocal minority or "entitled whiners".
It was the beginning of their downfall.
They should have engaged with fans even MORE after the ending, to listen and avoid to make other gross mistakes.
But they choose the route of silence, and the sales of Andromeda are not good compared to the other chapters.
So whatever their strategy is now, it is NOT working.
They better change behaviour if they don't want to lose what remains of their community.
Otherwise they will be remembered as the devs who transformed Mass Effect into No Man's Sky.
LOL At least complaints were only about ME3 ending and Not the whole game 🤓 ... (the ending didn't upset me though, but i heard a lot of people went storming about it)
And yes indeed, it's better to communicate about what people would like or expect to have in a game, rather than facing a LOT of complaints later.
Also, some can be really harsh in criticizing and forgetting that developers are just as "people" as everyone else. No wonder why no communication.
Maybe next time it'll be better.
@draqonin uh.. they are "people" who make a crapload of money because they are SUPPOSED to be good AT their jobs. this isnt people complaining about forgetting the pickles on a mcburger, this is incompetence across the board from a developer who (i cant stress enough) is supposed to be the best in the industry. hmm videogames and food, im liking these parallels. so.. rather than paying 10$ for a mcmeal prepared by an unskilled worker who did a poor job at arranging the toppings on a food item, we have paid for a 100$ "dining experience" served by an ugly hunch backed leper with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth and the meat is raw, the vegetables are over cooked, the salad is rotten, the bread is soggy and made with FAR too much yeast, the wine is vinegar, and theres a family of 9 having a food fight with their children at the next table over! unacceptable!
i cant think of any part of the game i HAVENT seen/heard people complain about is my point! they didnt JUST botch the guns in multiplayer, they didnt JUST use terrible animations, they didnt merely have an occasional crash or save issue.. they failed in every aspect of the game! THAT is why people are showing them no mercy! not because they are terrible people, because they are incompetent people who cant even be bothered to say they are sorry for wiping their butts with one of the few successful sci-fi rpg franchises ever! i want everyone defending bioware to go into your jobs tomorrow and just completely suck at what you do, i mean pretend you are making a how not to video for how to do whatever it is you do... see how far you get before they throw you out and tell you not to come back. because you wont get 1/2 the slack bioware has gotten, biowares boss NEEDS them there to fix the problems, YOUR boss doesnt NEED you.
They're going to be live in a few seconds discussing MP guys/gals
Is that an Indoctrination click bait?
Multiplayer patch
Future updates
No single player updates discussed in the stream folks
Teleporting ... fiend?
They also called it the vanguard fiend.
This pretty much sums it up.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the Krogan is gone.
That's the fiend doing a prophetized insta-kill-grab from far away? That sucks. Oh, well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ok so no SP and just that lovely word "soon"...
Great, so now I'm gonna play ME3 again and kill some reapers. Maybe that'll help to kill some time before BW's next announcement 😃
At least MP is going to get some fixes 🙂
I knew they wouldn't discuss anything relevant to the SP. They LITERALLY have until June 5th to fix their *. If not, I suggest a gaming wide blackout and a further boycott of anything EA and Bioware related, yes even any dlc or anything like that. It's time to tighten the vice.
@Psych0_Trauma wrote:
I knew they wouldn't discuss anything relevant to the SP. They LITERALLY have until June 5th to fix their *. If not, I suggest a gaming wide blackout and a further boycott of anything EA and Bioware related, yes even any dlc or anything like that. It's time to tighten the vice.
There is almost always some sort of basic stability bug-fixing involved.
@arthurh3535 wrote:
@Psych0_Trauma wrote:
I knew they wouldn't discuss anything relevant to the SP. They LITERALLY have until June 5th to fix their *. If not, I suggest a gaming wide blackout and a further boycott of anything EA and Bioware related, yes even any dlc or anything like that. It's time to tighten the vice.
There is almost always some sort of basic stability bug-fixing involved.
*eyeroll* dude it literally is all about the MP. I missed the stream and i'm going through it now. It's unacceptable, it's time to put their balls in a vice. If a bunch of nerds can force Ubisoft to do something we can force these guys.
@Psych0_Trauma wrote:
@arthurh3535 wrote:
@Psych0_Trauma wrote:
I knew they wouldn't discuss anything relevant to the SP. They LITERALLY have until June 5th to fix their *. If not, I suggest a gaming wide blackout and a further boycott of anything EA and Bioware related, yes even any dlc or anything like that. It's time to tighten the vice.
There is almost always some sort of basic stability bug-fixing involved.
*eyeroll* dude it literally is all about the MP. I missed the stream and i'm going through it now. It's unacceptable, it's time to put their balls in a vice. If a bunch of nerds can force Ubisoft to do something we can force these guys.
i'm really tempted, however i said i'd wait to buy MEA till it was on sale & actual gamers reviewed it, and what did i end up doing? i preordered the deluxe edition. i obviously can't seem to stick to my guns.
Lol, I preorder Deluxe too, and I love the game for the most part. I do want to see the bugs and such fixed, but I have over 200 hours in the game, 90%+ single player. If they fix MP, cool, I may play a few matches, if they don't, cool, I may play a few matches.....but I want the SP bugs fixed. They did say there were going to do both MP and SP bug hunting, they just didn't specify what and how much, and instead spent the time discussing MP balance and changes. Will see after the next update how much is smoke and how much is truth.
@MEGAF1UX wrote:
@draqonin uh.. they are "people" who make a crapload of money because they are SUPPOSED to be good AT their jobs. this isnt people complaining about forgetting the pickles on a mcburger, this is incompetence across the board from a developer who (i cant stress enough) is supposed to be the best in the industry. hmm videogames and food, im liking these parallels. so.. rather than paying 10$ for a mcmeal prepared by an unskilled worker who did a poor job at arranging the toppings on a food item, we have paid for a 100$ "dining experience" served by an ugly hunch backed leper with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth and the meat is raw, the vegetables are over cooked, the salad is rotten, the bread is soggy and made with FAR too much yeast, the wine is vinegar, and theres a family of 9 having a food fight with their children at the next table over! unacceptable!
i cant think of any part of the game i HAVENT seen/heard people complain about is my point! they didnt JUST botch the guns in multiplayer, they didnt JUST use terrible animations, they didnt merely have an occasional crash or save issue.. they failed in every aspect of the game! THAT is why people are showing them no mercy! not because they are terrible people, because they are incompetent people who cant even be bothered to say they are sorry for wiping their butts with one of the few successful sci-fi rpg franchises ever! i want everyone defending bioware to go into your jobs tomorrow and just completely suck at what you do, i mean pretend you are making a how not to video for how to do whatever it is you do... see how far you get before they throw you out and tell you not to come back. because you wont get 1/2 the slack bioware has gotten, biowares boss NEEDS them there to fix the problems, YOUR boss doesnt NEED you.
I have been in the software industry for over 30 years. You are right to be angry and indignant, but you are misguided in blaming the developers. First, Game Developers don't make a crapload of money. They tend to be lower paid than many similar skilled developers because of the "cool job" factor. Further, unless you are in a start up and hit it big, most senior developers make about as much as a corporate middle manager. That's not a "crapload of money."
If you want to be pissed, be pissed at the game designers who messed up in understanding the basic appeal of the game. Be very pissed at the management at EA and BioWare who were more focused on deadlines than quality -- so much so that they even cancelled the public beta where they had a real opportunity for pre-release feedback. I will bet you that the development and QA staff would have loved another 6 months of development and testing time, but that management at EA and BioWare overrode them -- if the staff even felt they could even voice their concerns. Some places fall into such a toxic mode that people do not even feel safe voicing concerns. Lots of great developers work in shops that are so poorly managed that they work themselves to death to meet some artificial deadline and produce buggy code because that is all they can produce under such crushing circumstances.
How can I tell that it was management? Because no organization with the right kind of partnership between the developers, QA, and management will release such code. Take CD Projekt Red for example. They pushed back their release date TWICE on The Witcher 3. They refused to release the game until they had an acceptable level of quality. THAT is good management. Better to take it in the chin up front and delay the release (and your revenue), rather than drop junk on your customers. What happened? CD Projekt Red released what is arguably the best open world RPG ever made to date (even the [free] DLC is spectacular) , they won a lot of awards. they made a lot of money on it, AND their customers are eagerly looking forward to their next game.
I look forward to EA's next award -- their 3rd Golden "Poo" trophy for The Consumerist's "Worst Company of the Year 2017" to join their wins in 2012 and 2013.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
-- George Santayana
Don't forget to vote. :-)
@angrybunnie https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/BioWare-Reviews-E22998.htm
54k plus all the "perks" that come from working for bioware (STARTING pay) JUST to be a tester, 84k for software engineers.. i dont know what sector of software development you have been in for 30 years but its clearly the wrong one (betting not game development or you would have said something.. though i AM aware that some developers are MUCH worse than others).
while i will grant you that CDPR is a great company w3 is tedious, well written, beautiful, garbage. you are doing the same combat 5 min into the game as you are 500 hours into the game, it evolves NOT AT ALL! i would also assume you havent played xenoblade chronicles x, because it bebopped and scatted all over every other rpg made that year (sadly it was on wii u so nobody played it).
back to the matter at hand it is obviously HEAVILY on management that this game failed, but if we arent the fly on the wall we dont know if bioware said "we will have it fixed by launch" or if ea said "you BEST have it fixed by launch". honestly i put this all on bioware because other EA games have come out and been just fine, its NOT a pattern. i do see it a pattern with bioware though. if people are afraid to speak up they shouldnt have those jobs! if you are doing a module for a game and it is having problems you need to say something BEFORE it becomes too late to fix, not throw it in the game and let somebody fix it later.
you do know that EA only won those awards because people on a certain web site i probably cant even mention here stuffed the ballot boxes right? i mean great it made them better at what they do, but use your head for a second.. worse than air lines, cable companies, car companies, or oil companies? it doesnt make sense that a little videogame publisher that 3/4 of the world have never even heard of would win over say BP (for polluting oceans) or air lines (for being absolutely terrible across the board). theres a video somewhere that even tells the story of them stuffing the box, they also do things like get racist literature voted for book of the month clubs and sending rappers to alaska.
if you feel like watching/seeing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8-Ehk71HGs
CasperTheLich wrote:i'm really tempted, however i said i'd wait to buy MEA till it was on sale & actual gamers reviewed it, and what did i end up doing? i preordered the deluxe edition. i obviously can't seem to stick to my guns.
I tend to put such things a bit in perspective. When I go to the movies here it costs around 10-12 bucks. I have 2 hours worth of movie and when it's done, I have to pay to see it again. Do I always like everything in a movie? Of course not. In the end a movie is not made just to make me personally happy. Are the special effects always great and believable? Also no.
Then I buy ME:A that you play for hundreds of hours and you get to keep it and play it as often as you want. I get the deluxe and it cost 70 bucks.
Now, it's not the same medium, but for the amount of entertainment I've already gotten out of this game, there's no way I can honestly contend that I didn't get my money's worth. Most single player games these days, well, you're lucky to get 30 hours of gameplay in a playthrough.
Of course there are bugs. There are issues. I don't think anybody here is saying all is well. At the same time though I don't think it makes sense to worry about whether or not you spent your money wisely if you've played hundreds of hours into this game. You may have expected more or better and that's certainly fair enough, but for me a waste of money is game that I can't get myself to play for more than a few hours because it's that uninspiring or has such poor mechanics.
So that's kinda how I put these things in perspective. Take it for what it's worth.
@Abex81 wrote:
And today one straight month passed since the last patch and still no ETA or anticipations on what will be fixed.
Only a vague "SOON".
Seems like our requests for a better communication are going to be ignored.
Too bad this will bite them in the a*s sooner or later. It always do.
Didn't they just do livestream about what they want to fix in the multi player side of things?
@IIIPripyaTIII wrote:
@Abex81 You can view it in twitch.tv/bioware
I also have a summary of it in the previous page 😉
I couldn't care less about MP stuff.
Why they didn't make a twitch about SP too then?
Seems like MP is all they care about.... because you know...microtransaction
@Abex81 wrote:
@IIIPripyaTIII wrote:
@Abex81 You can view it in twitch.tv/bioware
I also have a summary of it in the previous page 😉
I couldn't care less about MP stuff.
Why they didn't make a twitch about SP too then?
Seems like MP is all they care about.... because you know...microtransaction
Well if that's all they cared for they wouldn't have made such a long single player campaing.
And to be honest there were a lot of issues that made MP difficult to play if I have to believe the posters here. So perhaps it made sense to focus on that for this livestream.
But to say that there's been absolutely no communication and not a single idea of what they're working on is simply not true. Now, I am also more interested in the single player stuff, so I am also hoping that we get some news about that too.
@EgoMania wrote:
@Abex81 wrote:
@IIIPripyaTIII wrote:
@Abex81 You can view it in twitch.tv/bioware
I also have a summary of it in the previous page 😉
I couldn't care less about MP stuff.
Why they didn't make a twitch about SP too then?
Seems like MP is all they care about.... because you know...microtransaction
Well if that's all they cared for they wouldn't have made such a long single player campaing.
And to be honest there were a lot of issues that made MP difficult to play if I have to believe the posters here. So perhaps it made sense to focus on that for this livestream.
But to say that there's been absolutely no communication and not a single idea of what they're working on is simply not true. Now, I am also more interested in the single player stuff, so I am also hoping that we get some news about that too.
The last official communication about SP is that statement on their official page of more than a month ago.
Since then the void.
Horizon developer talks with the community and release patches almost on a weekly basis.
So if you are used to a lower standard... well i am not arguing with you.
@Abex81 wrote:
The last official communication about SP is that statement on their official page of more than a month ago.
Since then the void.
Horizon developer talks with the community and release patches almost on a weekly basis.
So if you are used to a lower standard... well i am not arguing with you.
Listen, you made a general statement that we've heard NOTHING. That's factually untrue. That's all. I agree that it's been a long time that we heard anything about the SP fixes we're hoping for.
The rest is you just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.
Sorry, i should have added :we've heard NOTHING since that statement made more than a month ago.
Better now?
English is not my mother language so sometime i can screw something up.
Nothing personal bro.
@Abex81 wrote:
Sorry, i should have added :we've heard NOTHING since that statement made more than a month ago.
Better now?
English is not my mother language so sometime i can screw something up.
Nothing personal bro.
You're speaking English fine and I imagine most understood what you were trying to say and many native speakers would have worded things similarly as most people don't speak literally. I mean even when the word "literally" is used it is often not meant to be taken literally, lol.
But back on point, it does seem like they (at least now) are more focused on the multi-player aspect than the single player and there could be a number of reasons as to why. The micro-transactions are quite the incentive to focus on multiplayer.
But it could also be maybe they feel it is more broken than single player (not saying I agree) or perhaps they feel like they already put more focus in single player than multi so now they are trying to focus more on multi.
Who can say for sure other than them?
