Are the rumors actually true about Miranda?

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@SofaJockeyUK wrote:

To be fair that seems such a vague concern that it's almost meaningless.

I see no sign of editorial decisions being made at a publisher corporate level, nor attempts to 'cater' to anyone. What I do see is a development team at BioWare trying to do what makes sense to them. Anyone who has played BioWare games over many many years knows their style and their passion for inclusivity and that's not going to change, nor would I want it to.

Issue is we don't know that look what EA did with Dead Space 3 Bioware might want to make the game in one way but ultimately it is up to EA  they got the final decision.

"Anyone who has played BioWare games over many many years knows their style and their passion for inclusivity and that's not going to change"

ive played them since Baldurs gate and i still play them not to mention Kotor, SWtor etc etc that don't mean they will change we all said the same about blizzard that went to hell xD
no one can know what the future brings but i do not trust EA and neither should anyone after all the bad decisions they done in the past

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@Naala wrote:

 

no one can know what the future brings but i do not trust EA and neither should anyone after all the bad decisions they done in the past

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You're welcome to hold that opinion, but then why have a discussion about it? You don't trust them and that's the end of it.

Personally I find the notion that any company that has made mistakes in the past is incapable of making good games in the future to be groundless pessimism I can't embrace.

Two recent Star Wars games would be good examples: Both Fallen Order and Squadrons had great success. Squadrons was partly built by the team that made Mass Effect.

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@SofaJockeyUK wrote:

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You're welcome to hold that opinion, but then why have a discussion about it? You don't trust them and that's the end of it.

Personally I find the notion that any company that has made mistakes in the past is incapable of making good games in the future to be groundless pessimism I can't embrace.

Two recent Star Wars games would be good examples: Both Fallen Order and Squadrons had great success. Squadrons was partly built by the team that made Mass Effect.

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wow 2 games they got more bad games then good games lately Battlefront II, Anthem, 2 bad vs 2 good and that is only mentioning 2 xD and what about Visceral Games westwood studios not to mention Origin ? and all the other companies they bought up and killed off? they effectively killed the Dead Space franchise by not letting them do the game they wanted

sure they can always improve and get better but that will require a LOT of work they got so many good IP's now that is just sitting there collecting dust
https://heavy.com/games/2017/10/studios-ea-has-killed-visceral-games/

They own all of that but dont do anything with it

True i liked Fallen Order but it was not as good as it could been i trust Bioware but as long as they are under EA there is no telling what could happen with them they are basically hanging by a thread ready to be killed off like all those other companies and Sadly EA has a LOT of of power to affect how Bioware makes the games and force that to happen if Bioware refuse EA might cut the funding and Bioware are fecked.

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@Naala wrote:

Sadly EA has a LOT of of power to affect how Bioware makes the games and force that to happen if Bioware refuse EA might cut the funding and Bioware are fecked.

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I do wonder where you get your assumptions from.

EA = BioWare.

BioWare = EA.

BioWare is an operating division not a team of galley slaves.

The development teams under their own creative leadership make the games as part of EA.

If a game is good or not so good, that's on the team that made it, not some shadowy corporate puppet play. 🤔

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@SofaJockeyUK wrote:
I do wonder where you get your assumptions from.

EA = BioWare.

BioWare = EA.

BioWare is an operating division not a team of galley slaves.

The development teams under their own creative leadership make the games as part of EA.

If a game is good or not so good, that's on the team that made it, not some shadowy corporate puppet play.

All of this is is naive thoughts the one with the money is the one in charge if Bioware has all the money they need to make the game and require 0 investors then they are fully in charge but if Bioware require funding from EA then EA has power to made demands

"If a game is good or not so good, that's on the team that made it, not some shadowy corporate puppet play."

this depends on many things look how it went with Troika games they had a good game to be released and needed more time to polish it up they didnt get it was forced to release and it flopped now after a decade of community bug fixes that game is a classic

this is one example out of many im not going to go into details.

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@budzai wrote:BW isn't going the way Blizzard went, because they are there for more than a decade now.
their last good game was DA:O. After that they pumped out total mediocre and bad games.

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this is just you're opinion i actually liked all of the dragon age games including 2 and inquisition i even liked Andromeda even tho it was not nearly as good as the older games this is true but i wouldn't call them mediocre

@budzaibut you should only speak for you're self and shouldn't put words in other people's mouths even if you have statistics to back it up ;D

again like i said i did enjoy them even tho they were not as good as the older games but it is funny when you think about it that Bioware was bought in 2008 and last good / decent games they made was around that time + - 2 years and the more time went the worse they became.

Coincident? i vote no

There is no denying that early 2000 was the golden era of Bioware tho


Even tho this is interesting talk it is getting off topic so im dropping this here 🙂

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@Naala wrote:

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@SofaJockeyUK wrote:
I do wonder where you get your assumptions from.

EA = BioWare.

BioWare = EA.

BioWare is an operating division not a team of galley slaves.

The development teams under their own creative leadership make the games as part of EA.

If a game is good or not so good, that's on the team that made it, not some shadowy corporate puppet play.

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All of this is is naive thoughts the one with the money is the one in charge if Bioware has all the money they need to make the game and require 0 investors then they are fully in charge but if Bioware require funding from EA then EA has power to made demands

"If a game is good or not so good, that's on the team that made it, not some shadowy corporate puppet play."

this depends on many things look how it went with Troika games they had a good game to be released and needed more time to polish it up they didnt get it was forced to release and it flopped now after a decade of community bug fixes that game is a classic

this is one example out of many im not going to go into details.

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Bioware isn't an independent company looking around for money to make games, or someone to publish them, but instead Bioware is 100% OWNED by EA.  EA as a company has sub-companies they own that make games for them....so EA tells Bioware you have XXX amount of money and time to make a game, get with it.    What Bioware does with that money, is on Bioware and the crew there.   So, don't think in anyway that Bioware is independent of EA or doesn't need EA.....Bioware is EA and EA is Bioware.

@mcsupersporti never said they are independent i said he who holds the money is in charge which would be EA unless Bioware has their own money you even said the same thing the part about investors are still true but not in this situation

Also its good to see you don't read all my posts i know they were bought i said that in my last post which you chose to ignore ;D

@Sky2k5Same didnt want a long discussion about it either its just sad that so many dont seem to get how corporate's work EA's only intention is to make money that is what corporate's do.  IF Bioware and most other game devs would make a choice that would risk loosing money say a racist game then the investors and or owners (in this case EA) can go in and pull the plug on those decisions and remove it in this case Mirand's * could be seen as sexism there fore someone voted to remove it wheter it was EA or Bioware i dont know and dont really care it is censurship and that should not be accepted.

But making games these days is a risky business, i do miss old school games when they could do damn near anything they wanted.

i really do hope bioware stand up for them self IF this censure decision comes from EA which it very well could but if the decision came from Bioware then like i said previously it dont look good for future bioware games

@Naala @Sky2k5 do you reckon it would work if bioware just changed whatever they thought was best in ME then turned off all social media for one week after launching the game? pretend all criticism doesnt exist and return fresh a week later to patch bugs? 

@GrimReaperTaken

They should definitely turn off twitter the fans are here on this forum this is the criticism they should listen to.

Ignoring the criticism is a huge no but it depends on what criticism they listen to i read that feminists wants to ban valentines day and other BS like high heels being sexist and other things like that there will always be people complaining about things that 1: dont make sense and 2: dont really matter. and from all i gather there is a ton of more people who want the original cutscenes over the people who don't want them. so fans have spoken its up to them if they listen.

i mean if you really look anyone can find an issue with anything Christmas is sexist since santa is a male working while miss santa is home cooking and cleaning etc does it matter? no its a myth a legend this is a game a virtual thing and Miranda is just eye candy in the game, Jacob been said to be miranda's Male counter part and he is shirtless in one scene will that be censured? i bet not.

"do you reckon it would work if bioware just changed whatever they thought was best in ME"

They shouldn't change a thing except updating the game and fixing bugs as stated before there are a TON of issues with the games specially ME1 being very outdated in terms of well almost everything

the AI is basically crap yes they would need to work hard on updating the AI to modern standards but thats what a remaster should do get the gameplay and textures updated the games were almost perfect in terms of story etc higher difficulty didnt mean harder just that t he Enemy toke more hits imagine if they would actually use tactics oooof  amazing

and that they didnt even put any work into pinnacle station is just lazy if they had worked on the important things those 6 months or what ever it would take to make Pinnacle station work wouldnt been a huge deal

they said that ME1 is improved to be closer to ME2 but issue is ME2 is already also dated as hell in terms of textures and gameplay hell even ME3 is dated in almost all aspects specially animations but they said they basically didnt touch animations so i wonder what the hell they actually worked on.

Unfortunately EA wil alwaysl listen to Twitter feminism activist instead of us, real fans and players. They're too scared of backlash from Twitter.

Bioware said “I do think a lot of things have evolved since [the original games],” meaning rise of feminism, MeToo and scandals in Hollywood

EA, do you will still continue ignoring real fans and YouTube?

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Unless EA will stop acting "sexy female characters are bad and sexist", i will never buy anything from your company.

Sadly you value their opinion more than fan's:

Twitter

Kotaku

Polygon

ResetEra

Anita Sarkeesian 

Zoey Quinn

@Princess_Catra congrats this is so far the hottest post on the ME LE forum, lets hope this gets some attention from EA/Bioware.

Edit: Again: Can someone explain? The original title was "Are the rumors actually true about Miranda?" and then the new title i see in my email notifications is "EA censored Mass Effect and ignores real players..." Did it get changed and just hasnt updated everywhere yet? 

Also i know the first four but who the heck are anita and zoey? are they games journalists or celebrities? 

Anita Sarkeesian is a feminist activist. She is know for series of videos "Tropes vs Women" where she criticizes designs of female characters like Lara Croft in Tomb Raider: Underworld for being "sexy"
In 2019 she visited Bioware to teach them how to make "right" female characters...
She also doesn't play videogames at all.

Her video has 50,000 dislikes, and still, EA values her more than us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6p5AZp7r_Q

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@GrimReaperTaken wrote:

Edit: Again: Can someone explain? The original title was "Are the rumors actually true about Miranda?" and then the new title i see in my email notifications is "EA censored Mass Effect and ignores real players..." Did it get changed and just hasnt updated everywhere yet? 

Also i know the first four but who the heck are anita and zoey? are they games journalists or celebrities? 

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It is likely that a thread or post was merged into this thread and the forum is acting wonky.  If you look at the top of this thread after clicking on last post to get here, then likely it will say EA censored, but if you go to the first page and look, it says Are the Rumors actually......

So I think the forum is just being wonky about this.