Re: Spoiler: Krogan Scouts or Raeka? Why?

One thing I don't understand in the Krogan Scouts vs Raeka debate

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@oynxdragon666 wrote:

One thing I don't understand in the Krogan Scouts vs Raeka debate

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Why wasn't there an option to send the 4 squad members who Ryder left on the Tempest to help Raeka and why was it Raeka who came to Rhyder's aid, when the other 4 squad members knew Ryder was in a trap via.
What's the point in mentioning the fact that S.A.M can see and hear everything Ryder can, when it's never has any real uses in the plot. Like the situation on the Archon's Flagship where Ryder was trapped in a stasis field and the 4 squad members didn't make any attempt to rescue Ryder, but no it was left to Raeka for some stupid forced choice situation later.

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DON'T get me started on SAM.

There is quite a bit of time in ME:A spent trying to make the options/solutions/dialogue you are given fit into your morality/rationality - instead of thinking they are all are valid ways to deal with this so how should I choose?

Went with Raeka as she was the most sensible choice. While i kicked of Sarissa, as that was not her call to make. There is a reason a chain of command exists and Sarissa's role was to protect her pathfinder, not to go out there and let her die. So she abandoned her duty, disrespected a direct order and then proceeded to lie about it. The data she stole was useless as they didnt decrypt it, Sarissa tells this you that she is still decrypting it. A pathfinder is supposed to be someone who is looked upto, even Avictus tells this to you and Sarissa fails to measure up to that requirement. The pathfinders are supposed to be exemplars of their respective species and Sarissa does not measure up by that standard.

There is a reason the original pathfinders represented the best aspects of their species. Alec is an N7 signifying human adaptability and ingenuity, Macen is a Turian military commando leader (Blackwatch) signifying the turians soceity before self attribute, Ishara is a renowned diplomat who represents the Asari and their aptitude at diplomacy and peace and Raeka is a scientist and a dalatrass who perfectly represents the Salarians.

Being a pathfinder is not just about power but about what it represents of your species. So Raeka is a must and Sarissa is not fit for that role period. A person who abandons their own duty and disobeys the chain of command and proceeding to lie about it all while still pretending to be a hero is not a pathfinder. 

The above is the same damn reason i hate Liam and i wish we could have removed him from the pathfinder team and Tempest. He makes decisions that he had not right to make and generally his actions amount to treason.

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@zeypherIN wrote:

Went with Raeka as she was the most sensible choice. While i kicked of Sarissa, as that was not her call to make. There is a reason a chain of command exists and Sarissa's role was to protect her pathfinder, not to go out there and let her die. So she abandoned her duty, disrespected a direct order and then proceeded to lie about it. The data she stole was useless as they didnt decrypt it, Sarissa tells this you that she is still decrypting it. A pathfinder is supposed to be someone who is looked upto, even Avictus tells this to you and Sarissa fails to measure up to that requirement. The pathfinders are supposed to be exemplars of their respective species and Sarissa does not measure up by that standard.

There is a reason the original pathfinders represented the best aspects of their species. Alec is an N7 signifying human adaptability and ingenuity, Macen is a Turian military commando leader (Blackwatch) signifying the turians soceity before self attribute, Ishara is a renowned diplomat who represents the Asari and their aptitude at diplomacy and peace and Raeka is a scientist and a dalatrass who perfectly represents the Salarians.

Being a pathfinder is not just about power but about what it represents of your species. So Raeka is a must and Sarissa is not fit for that role period. A person who abandons their own duty and disobeys the chain of command and proceeding to lie about it all while still pretending to be a hero is not a pathfinder. 

The above is the same damn reason i hate Liam and i wish we could have removed him from the pathfinder team and Tempest. He makes decisions that he had not right to make and generally his actions amount to treason.

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Sarissa acted in the best interest of her people while her pathfinder begged for help,selfishly and at the risk of her people. Sarissa needs a medal.

A good leader in a hopeless situation does not order more people into that situation. Especially if it means abandoning the civilians they are serving.

Nope, im sorry but she is supposed to be the protector of Ishara, thats why she is what tiamna? If she never wanted that role she should not have chosen that title. The theft of the data put the Asari at more risk as then Kett went full on kill rather than capture mode. The data is useless as it never gets decrypted and chain of command matters, every organisation has a command structure for a reason. Sarissa cant preach about duty and Honor  etc etc in her manuals and then completely abandon them when it suits her. Sorry that * does not fly with me.

The captain of the Asari ark tells you that they kept escaping again and again without the data. Sarissa got her pathfinder killed because she abandoned her simple as that. Its like your own squad abandons you to die cause they thought of something else. If Sarissa made the right call why does she feel the need to lie and hide it. A pathfinder is supposed to own up to their decision.

My post does not mean i hate Sarissa but she is better served as a full time combatant rather than as a pathfinder.

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@CasperTheLich wrote:
Iirc, the original asari pathfinder was protecting the sleepers in stasis when she was killed, the makeshift shield generator, remember... Sarissa abandoned her pathfinder for the kett data, and nearly let all the sleepers die.

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I'll have to double check, but I believe the original Asari diplomat pathfinder tried to negotiate with the Kett, who shoot first and capture and dissect you alive later. The negotiation promptly fails, and instead of trying to fight her way to the pathfinder, who (based on Ryder's first contact with the Angara) was alone deep in kett turf, grabs the military data/nav charts readily available and covers the Ark evac. Think 13 Hours, we lost the ambassador, but we aren't going to try and hold the indefensible compound so we can look for him sort of scenario. Again, my read, and I'll be back there soonish so I can double check

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@zeypherIN wrote:

Went with Raeka as she was the most sensible choice. While i kicked of Sarissa, as that was not her call to make. There is a reason a chain of command exists and Sarissa's role was to protect her pathfinder, not to go out there and let her die. So she abandoned her duty, disrespected a direct order and then proceeded to lie about it. The data she stole was useless as they didnt decrypt it, Sarissa tells this you that she is still decrypting it. A pathfinder is supposed to be someone who is looked upto, even Avictus tells this to you and Sarissa fails to measure up to that requirement. The pathfinders are supposed to be exemplars of their respective species and Sarissa does not measure up by that standard.

There is a reason the original pathfinders represented the best aspects of their species. Alec is an N7 signifying human adaptability and ingenuity, Macen is a Turian military commando leader (Blackwatch) signifying the turians soceity before self attribute, Ishara is a renowned diplomat who represents the Asari and their aptitude at diplomacy and peace and Raeka is a scientist and a dalatrass who perfectly represents the Salarians.

Being a pathfinder is not just about power but about what it represents of your species. So Raeka is a must and Sarissa is not fit for that role period. A person who abandons their own duty and disobeys the chain of command and proceeding to lie about it all while still pretending to be a hero is not a pathfinder. 

The above is the same damn reason i hate Liam and i wish we could have removed him from the pathfinder team and Tempest. He makes decisions that he had not right to make and generally his actions amount to treason.

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They do make the NPC's much more independent people in this game rather than supporting cast with us as lead - a shift to open world from space opera. I think part of that is the difference between governing by consensus instead of by authority. I also think the other part of that is them sticking others in similar situations to where they put you with different results. Motive, intent, and end result all factor much more heavily into all the decisions you make; they strip away the black or white/ good or evil you could adopt before or after your decisions in the original series. 

How do you feel about your decision to defy the Nexus? In the original, it was easy for me to self justify defying the council. They made me a spectre who makes their own rules and I was saving the galaxy by lead, follow, or get out of the way. Here? Not-so-much.

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@jpcerutti1 wrote:

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@zeypherIN wrote:

Went with Raeka as she was the most sensible choice. While i kicked of Sarissa, as that was not her call to make. There is a reason a chain of command exists and Sarissa's role was to protect her pathfinder, not to go out there and let her die. So she abandoned her duty, disrespected a direct order and then proceeded to lie about it. The data she stole was useless as they didnt decrypt it, Sarissa tells this you that she is still decrypting it. A pathfinder is supposed to be someone who is looked upto, even Avictus tells this to you and Sarissa fails to measure up to that requirement. The pathfinders are supposed to be exemplars of their respective species and Sarissa does not measure up by that standard.

There is a reason the original pathfinders represented the best aspects of their species. Alec is an N7 signifying human adaptability and ingenuity, Macen is a Turian military commando leader (Blackwatch) signifying the turians soceity before self attribute, Ishara is a renowned diplomat who represents the Asari and their aptitude at diplomacy and peace and Raeka is a scientist and a dalatrass who perfectly represents the Salarians.

Being a pathfinder is not just about power but about what it represents of your species. So Raeka is a must and Sarissa is not fit for that role period. A person who abandons their own duty and disobeys the chain of command and proceeding to lie about it all while still pretending to be a hero is not a pathfinder. 

The above is the same damn reason i hate Liam and i wish we could have removed him from the pathfinder team and Tempest. He makes decisions that he had not right to make and generally his actions amount to treason.

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They do make the NPC's much more independent people in this game rather than supporting cast with us as lead - a shift to open world from space opera. I think part of that is the difference between governing by consensus instead of by authority. I also think the other part of that is them sticking others in similar situations to where they put you with different results. Motive, intent, and end result all factor much more heavily into all the decisions you make; they strip away the black or white/ good or evil you could adopt before or after your decisions in the original series. 

How do you feel about your decision to defy the Nexus? In the original, it was easy for me to self justify defying the council. They made me a spectre who makes their own rules and I was saving the galaxy by lead, follow, or get out of the way. Here? Not-so-much.

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The big difference is that for now at least the governing body of Andromeda is more civilian led and less military- this alone makes the rules somewhat different because civvies are not governed by military rules. I also doubt they have even had the time to really setup many laws and regulations yet. They would have had a plan which they were expected to follow but, when everything in Andromeda was not as expected those plans went out the airlock so to speak - no doubt along with some of the intended laws / rules because suddenly they find themselves in a position where they may not apply quite so clearly.

It will take time, for all of it. In time clear laws will be established - along with clear pubishments for breaking them. In time a proper military presence will be a requirement - especially with hostiles around. At that point, right or wrong in Andromeda will also be more clearly defined. 

When the only goal at first is survival, all the lines blur and right or wrong becomes more grey.

P.S. also realistically there are often more times when a choice or decision is simply that. A decision, with neither option being the right one, because they are both right options but only one outcome can come to light.

Nykara360 wrote:

The big difference is that for now at least the governing body of Andromeda is more civilian led and less military- this alone makes the rules somewhat different because civvies are not governed by military rules. I also doubt they have even had the time to really setup many laws and regulations yet. They would have had a plan which they were expected to follow but, when everything in Andromeda was not as expected those plans went out the airlock so to speak - no doubt along with some of the intended laws / rules because suddenly they find themselves in a position where they may not apply quite so clearly.

It will take time, for all of it. In time clear laws will be established - along with clear punishments for breaking them. In time a proper military presence will be a requirement - especially with hostiles around. At that point, right or wrong in Andromeda will also be more clearly defined.

When the only goal at first is survival, all the lines blur and right or wrong becomes more grey.

P.S. also realistically there are often more times when a choice or decision is simply that. A decision, with neither option being the right one, because they are both right options but only one outcome can come to light.

Part of it is simply management style, personal choice, and a feel of the new frontier where the rules have yet to be established - but I hope there's more to it.

It feels, to me, much more like I am writing the rules for Pathfinder - and defining the role. That the decisions I am asked to make are bumps they put there to make me think about it instead of just winging it... but winging it is still a viable option. I'm defining what is right or wrong on a personal level, for a pathfinder, and for whoever is part of a pathfinder team.

If nothing else, that I am the person who does something, and as a result, they say "Okay, we need a rule to cover that".🙂