Really Bioware? Stealth patching?

This isn't the first time they haven't documented changes and it won't be the last, they just don't seem to give a damn about providing players with the changes to single player despite people continuously bringing it up to them. If you look at every patch this game has received, the single player changes have been vague. Oh but those multiplayer notes are always quite informative. It really goes to show you where their priority is at the moment. 

They also fixed the bug that let you make credits using the merchant on Kaadara.. they didn't document that either.

I wasn't surprised, I was expecting these things to be patched, but I do agree with the OP that doing nothing to increase research points makes it really hurt. I used the research point 'exploit' and actually found that it made the game more enjoyable because it put the research rate more toward where it should be. The current system discourages experimentation with different gear because you simply can't afford to put points into something you won't end up using.

I prefer mostly Milky Way Gear, and that's even tougher since it's the hardest of the 3 to acquire. The Cryo Pod perk helps, but it's still pretty tough to keep up. 

It's curious that they didn't list these 'fixes' in the patch notes.

you guys are crying because.. they stopped you from cheating AT A SINGLE PLAYER GAME? this game deserves everything it gets.

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@MEGAF1UX wrote:

you guys are crying because.. they stopped you from cheating AT A SINGLE PLAYER GAME? this game deserves everything it gets.

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I won't speak for anyone else, but I hardly think I'm 'crying' over it.

I would classify my stance more as 'mildly annoyed' then anything else. I don't mind them fixing the exploits, that's what they're supposed to do, but I do agree with the OP that not fixing the issue with research points was short sided at best. 

as a rule if there are exploits, i don't use them, i'm all about immersion... and well, exploits kind of ruin it for me. however, i hold no ire for those that do, it's just a matter of taste, imho.

I'm crying because I had to cheat in the first place.  It should not take 10+ runs of the game to be able to research everything.

In Mass Effect 1 2 and 3, you could get your gear to X in 2 runs because it was all purchased.

I'm sorry, but if you think I'm crying about the exploit - then you're misunderstanding.  I'm crying about the fact I ever had to exploit in the first place.  Being able to exploit research didn't make the game easier - it wasn't a cheat - it just saved me a tonne of time and actually let me use variety in my gear.

The way the current system is designed, you're basically stuck using the same weapons because it takes multiple runs to get enough research to make even a handful of weapons viable.

I'm sorry but as somebody who beat the game 4 times now, including on their broken Insanity at level 132 with a 52 level scaling difference - I shouldn't be punished with more grind for no reason.  Even with 4 playthroughs - and about 2 months now of exploiting, I only have half the research done!  That's absurd, if you think that's acceptable then you can just back out of this thread because I'm not going to agree with you.  

I've already played the game 4 times, I beat it at it's absolute most difficulty.... I don't want to walk around and scan things all day - do you?  Do you really want to play the game 10 more times just to research stuff?

Geeezus 4 Playthroughs?

I barely made it through one.... you have waaaaay too much time

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@lagruej wrote:

Probably the lowest thing I've seen from the studio ever - to patch a known exploit and not even detail it in the patch notes - really hoped you could slide it under the rug huh?

In case anybody is wondering what I'm on about - it's the research glitch we had for Strike Teams, to make every reward convert into research points.  Now they've taken that away from us - but on the other hand have done nothing to improve research acquisition rates.

I've been posting about this since the end of my 4th playthrough.  There is NOT enough damn research points in this game.  I shouldn't have to play a game 15 times to be able to craft whatever I want, especially since 99.99% of the time, it's theory crafting and I don't even plan to use the weapon.

All you've done is take something away, something we were using to alleviate a problem - but you did nothing to help us with that problem, basically you have kicked us in the nuts.

This glitch was the one single reason I still had the Apex app on my phone, and why I would go on Andromeda every day to research some stuff.  Now I'm going to delete the all but worthless app, and I'm going to stop logging in every day to check on my stuff.  Basically this game just entered full stagnation for me, I have literally no reason to turn this game on.  I've beaten it 4 times and all you've left me with is a pointless and near endless grind for Research data.  Consider the game uninstalled until such a time you increase the rate we get the research points at.  

And for shame Bioware really?  Not to even mention in the patch notes that you fixed a bug or exploit?  Instead you stealth deployed it.  That's just an A-hole thing to do.

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Dude, it was a glitch.....glitches are *unintended bugs* so they fixed it....you were not meant to have it in the first place, not that it really affected anyone else, considering it being a single Player game, but i would have preferred that they fix glitched quests and added some bloody rough location points for those quests that have none at all.

Why would you even bother researching things you dont intend to use anyhow.

Ive had more than enough research points each game to create what I needed.

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@Nykara360 wrote:

Why would you even bother researching things you dont intend to use anyhow.

Ive had more than enough research points each game to create what I needed.

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The only real way to gauge rather or not you're going to use something is to try it first.

That involves researching it, building it, and then trying it out. I have had a similar experience as the OP, I found it hard initially to try different things because I simply couldn't afford the research points to learn how to build it. It was really only an issue early on though, as I got up in level I found it easier to experiment. 

For most of the time I was leveling up, the only way I could try a specific weapon was to hope I find one as a drop or buy one from a vendor. The research points were just too big of a gamble since I had no way to know if I was going to like the item or not. I could break it down and recover components, but the research points are gone for good and I needed those to upgrade my armor when I hit the level for the next tier. 

What I finally ended up doing was making a save game first and if I didn't like the weapon then I reloaded my save. It works, but I'm sure it's not how the system was designed to function. My personal proposal to fix it is to cut the research cost of all weapons and armor in half for marks I-V. The cost should start to kick in once you hit the 'advanced' tier (Tier VI +.) By that time, you're far enough in the game and have had more then enough opportunity to decide what you wish to develop.

I prefer to see the system encourage experimentation at lower levels.