These are all from the same game but my issue is that this is every game I play. These are just the goals let alone the myriad of other issues I have with the game.https://youtu.be/8HG8j0Q2j_U?si=xEGlcZAOrhWbhvWY These are all in reverse order of when they happened. l10 seconds in. Goal 1, guy is in position he desperately tries to stop it by going down as others suggest. Giving me an easy cross crease.22 seconds in Goal 2. Right after I score a goal, guy comes down gets around a forced to the middle my guy skating down trying to block it redirects off the skate into the goal43 seconds in goal 3. Guy's ai defensemen hang low leaving him to defend the cross crease. After Knight ignored a body check and a second. Guy is trying to play active defense goes right through his skill stick and skates for a goal.52 seconds in goal 4. Make a passing play when his defender has a stick in the way that has zero collision with the stick for an easy cross crease his ai the left defensemen leaves his assignment mind you.1:09 5th goal. Guy rags it outside, my ai defensemen let's him walk meaning me as the winger has to come down don't get a poke on it, but goalie literally juts out of the way giving him a diving penalty goal.1:23 6th goal. Trying to play defense and keep him to the outside. Holds off stick which is cool, however when I do get a poke on it the loose puck coming across the middle is completely ignored by two other dmen and the goalie losing the puck because it's sliding juts to the left giving him a wide open shot.1:55 7th goal. Guy gets burned misses a hit, his Hedman is standing in the passing lane looking at the puck goes right through for a one t cross crease.Now I would forgive it if it was one or two but this is almost every game I play. No goal feels earned and no goal scored against feels warranted.

https://youtu.be/1-LgREvF8QE?si=Uhzw5RZgrt6NQYZuHere is another example. The result of the play is me scoring but, the amount of times I can poke the puck out and him still get it back is atrocious. If I go for a hit he is gonna wheel by me. I score once again because the only option in this game for a passing option that is viable is the cross crease pass. You wouldn't pass two feet to your right when you are already outside of your right post. That winger next to my puck carrier should either be cutting behind or to behind the net. However he just skates even 3 feet away.

@EA_Aljo wrote:@llamaverox wrote:Essentially I think the game should have great ai, great defense, and less frustrating collision detection. If I get in a passing lane I should rip that puck. Why does the offensive player get 100% passing detection when a guy who is literally looking at the puck ignore it?When you say "100% passing detection", do you mean their ability to pick up the puck after it's been poked?I don't want to speak for them, but I suspect they're talking about the difference in how defensive players react to an incoming pass and how offensive players do. If you're on defence and you've put yourself in a passing lane your ability to pick off or disrupt the pass depends on a number of factors ( attributes, speed, are you using DSS, rng, etc ). You can put yourself in a good position to disrupt the pass, but the success or failure is still somewhat out of your hands.Offensive players on the other hand will almost always ( not 100%, but pretty close ) cleanly receive a pass made in their general direction regardless of orientation, speed, attributes, etc. Same with one-timing the incoming pass. It's nothing new in EA hockey games, but it can be frustrating at times from a defensive perspective. I think something that might help would be if the game mechanics leaned more towards making it easier to disrupt the pass if your in the lane by deflecting or knocking the puck away rather than the current system that's geared towards trying to cleanly picking off passes but has a lower success rate.

@hiperayand I completely disagree that is the correct direction that the game should of taken. It makes for a frustrating game that makes one more angry than satisfied to play.I'm also the ducks not the Bruins.

Essentially I think the game should have great ai, great defense, and less frustrating collision detection. If I get in a passing lane I should rip that puck. Why does the offensive player get 100% passing detection when a guy who is literally looking at the puck ignore it?Why is every goal off the rush?Why is sustained pressure despite a pressure system not rewarded?Why do close to the net cross creases get the benefit of being one of the few ways to score where it incentivizes playing like I do.Do you think I want to force cross creases all day? No. I want to make good hockey passing plays, but the AI isn't designed to get open. No matter what offensive system you play. They don't hang the boards well, they don't cut, they don't do anything well outside of stand near the backside post or stand at the point.It creates a one dimensional style of hockey. I don't think that goals off the rush should be the main scoring method. I don't think you should get a speed burst from holding the charge hit button, I don't think you should get bailed out when a goalie makes a stupid save that should be a goal. Then let in a floater from the circles off a backhand shot.Consistency, I just showed the goals as I've mentioned. The countless other times I almost yell in frustration as guys walk the puck through legs and skates is every game I play. The game took everything annoying about NHL 23 and made me dislike the series. That's a tall hill they had to get over and by god they did it. I need to make a full video. Of a game to demonstrate everything.

The game isn’t good and yes other players do make mistakes that can lead to goals, etc. However when you look at the overall make up of this game it’s trash. It becomes more noticeable when you stop playing it for a while and then come back to it. Personally I’ve been playing MLB the Show. Now, this game of course just like any other has its issues as well. When I came back for a game of hockey the other day my initial reaction was wow!, this game is very bad. The Show has never made me say that. Like I said it has its issues but not to the extent that this game has. Same can be said for NBA 2K and Madden, the other sports games on the market

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llamaverox
1 year ago
I'd also like to say to anyone that might claim well all your goals were cross creases. It's exactly the point of the video. I took 22 shots 4 of them went in. All cross creases under questionable circumstances. That game could have been 8-3 if the only way to score wasn't cross crease cheese and lucky ai mistakes.
KidShowtime1867
Hero
1 year ago
@llamaverox wrote:
10 seconds in. Goal 1, guy is in position he desperately tries to stop it by going down as others suggest. Giving me an easy cross crease.
Human controlling Boston is frantically missing hits
This results in a 2-on-1 that is dangerously close to the net. Rather than engage either the puck carrier or the intended receiver, the human decides to LB at the worst possible time; negating any change of Def. Awareness & Hand-eye attributes to kick-in and intercept:
@llamaverox wrote:
22 seconds in Goal 2. Right after I score a goal, guy comes down gets around a forced to the middle my guy skating down trying to block it redirects off the skate into the goal
A missed hit by ANA #21 cause a pileup in the middle. ANA #24 looks to be controlled by the human as there's a number of successive poke checks (spamming them). This spamming causes their player model to interfere with the goalie and the puck takes a bounce off the player into the net. Lots of human error here that could've prevented the puck from getting this close.
@llamaverox wrote:
43 seconds in goal 3. Guy's ai defensemen hang low leaving him to defend the cross crease. After Knight ignored a body check and a second. Guy is trying to play active defense goes right through his skill stick and skates for a goal.
I would bet good money that prior to when your clip starts, a human is controlling Tanev or Morrisey. Both are wildly out of position and when the clip begins, Tanev misses a wildly thrown hit that a.i. don't throw behind the net. Because the human brought both d-men below the goal line, Mitch Marner had to cover the front.
Mitch Marner will not have the defensive awareness attribute high enough to react to a pass being made within 2 feet of him. The slowed down replay you provided is a little misleading in terms of how much time he had to react but in real-time, a forward playing defense will not have the reaction time necessary to disrupt a play like this. Again, human error resulted in this.
@llamaverox wrote:
52 seconds in goal 4. Make a passing play when his defender has a stick in the way that has zero collision with the stick for an easy cross crease his ai the left defensemen leaves his assignment mind you.
#77 is being controlled by a human. You can tell by the way they go for the hit after the pass. A.i. don't do that. This opens up the 2-on-1. When you're playing a mode like HUT with players like Lemieux and Gretzky, you're allowed to force passes. It's an arcade mode with over the top gameplay.
@llamaverox wrote:
1:09 5th goal. Guy rags it outside, my ai defensemen let's him walk meaning me as the winger has to come down don't get a poke on it, but goalie literally juts out of the way giving him a diving penalty goal.
He doesn't let him walk. You come down with your forward and he abandons coverage:
The reason he was able to get close to the net was because you were skating backwards when you should've been skating forward with DSS engaged to angle him away from the goal
@llamaverox wrote:
1:23 6th goal. Trying to play defense and keep him to the outside. Holds off stick which is cool, however when I do get a poke on it the loose puck coming across the middle is completely ignored by two other dmen and the goalie losing the puck because it's sliding juts to the left giving him a wide open shot.
They don't ignore it. They're not close enough in proximity to the loose puck in order to trigger a pickup animation, but the Boston player was:
The a.i. is able to determine whether or not they would be able to get to loose puck in enough time to either retain possession or interfere with the expected recipient before they're able to execute an action after obtaining the puck. Your dmen knew they wouldn't be able to do either and simply retained defensive positions. You did great by keeping him outside and there's a tiny window in which you should've executed a shove which would've disrupted the play:
@llamaverox wrote:
1:55 7th goal. Guy gets burned misses a hit, his Hedman is standing in the passing lane looking at the puck goes right through for a one t cross crease.
That sucks that the ai was unable to react quickly to that pass. In this situation, I'd be in control of Hedman and engaging the potential recipient.
llamaverox
1 year ago
@KidShowtime1867 I'm not saying there weren't reasons they were open and able to do that, more what I'm arguing is that this is the reason I dislike the game. In real hockey, those plays would not unfold like they do. The defense is too far spread and out and doesn't give you the ability to cover the plays when you do make a mistake. Minor mistakes should not lead to automatic goals. Once again also the fact that the only goals the game let me score that game are all cross crease, I took better shots from the slot after good passes and I get annoyed and start forcing cross creases because it's the only way the game let's me score.
hiperay
New Ace
1 year ago
I'm not going to break it down like Showtime did a fantastic job of. But yes you are right in that real hockey, the plays would not unfold like they do. That said they only unfold the way they did because of the way the user influenced the decision making of the other players. You say they don't give the ability to cover plays when you make mistakes that are minor. These are NOT minor mistakes, these are major ones. Here's my shortened breakdown though:
The first: Two missed body checks in a row on a rush lead to a 2v1 and then you failed to play the passer or the shooter. Instead you tried to LB which is more meant for shot blocking. That first goal was 3 mistakes.
The second: The player is facing and poking away from their momentum at their goaltender.
The third: The user has two guys below the boards to play one player with one coming from behind the other side of the net to body check. along with the fact that the cross crease goes through because the user is trying to DSS instead of stand on top of the shooter to deny their chance of picking up the puck.
The fourth: Hedman disregards man to man coverage to hit Gretzky and 2v1 him, Leaves Lemieux open and now mixes the Defense up. Gretzky to Lemieux and back make a nice give and go for the finish.
The fifth: Just a good play by the winger to attack the slot when the opening was there and get a good chance.
The sixth: Defense fails to protect the middle again and gets burned for it... sure they lose the puck but they get it back in the high slot danger area where you should not let anyone shoot.
The seventh: Again the defense needs to be on top of the shooter and not sitting in the middle to block the pass. This is not the old games, you can't just stand in the middle of the lane and stop everything. You have to be right on top of the skater to lower the chance of them picking up the puck and shooting it.
Again these are not minor mistakes, these are major ones that will absolutely lead to good chances, and good players will take those good chances and capitalize on them. The big thing I want to reiterate out of it all is just stop playing it like its older gen games, you need to be 80-100% on the shooter side of the cross crease or you will not intercept it. Standing in the middle is not a strategy anymore.
llamaverox
1 year ago
@hiperayand I completely disagree that is the correct direction that the game should of taken. It makes for a frustrating game that makes one more angry than satisfied to play.
I'm also the ducks not the Bruins.
llamaverox
1 year ago
@hiperay The reason people run hits like he does is because it's the only effective form of defense as the pokecheck is almost useless.
hiperay
New Ace
1 year ago
Before I make my counter statement can you explain what you think the direction of the game should be? Are you saying that making these mistakes shouldn't lead to goals being scored because it is only one small mistake?
llamaverox
1 year ago
Essentially I think the game should have great ai, great defense, and less frustrating collision detection. If I get in a passing lane I should rip that puck. Why does the offensive player get 100% passing detection when a guy who is literally looking at the puck ignore it?
Why is every goal off the rush?
Why is sustained pressure despite a pressure system not rewarded?
Why do close to the net cross creases get the benefit of being one of the few ways to score where it incentivizes playing like I do.
Do you think I want to force cross creases all day? No. I want to make good hockey passing plays, but the AI isn't designed to get open. No matter what offensive system you play. They don't hang the boards well, they don't cut, they don't do anything well outside of stand near the backside post or stand at the point.
It creates a one dimensional style of hockey. I don't think that goals off the rush should be the main scoring method. I don't think you should get a speed burst from holding the charge hit button, I don't think you should get bailed out when a goalie makes a stupid save that should be a goal. Then let in a floater from the circles off a backhand shot.
Consistency, I just showed the goals as I've mentioned. The countless other times I almost yell in frustration as guys walk the puck through legs and skates is every game I play. The game took everything annoying about NHL 23 and made me dislike the series. That's a tall hill they had to get over and by god they did it. I need to make a full video. Of a game to demonstrate everything.
BigCastle00
New Adventurer
1 year ago
The game isn’t good and yes other players do make mistakes that can lead to goals, etc. However when you look at the overall make up of this game it’s trash. It becomes more noticeable when you stop playing it for a while and then come back to it. Personally I’ve been playing MLB the Show. Now, this game of course just like any other has its issues as well. When I came back for a game of hockey the other day my initial reaction was wow!, this game is very bad. The Show has never made me say that. Like I said it has its issues but not to the extent that this game has. Same can be said for NBA 2K and Madden, the other sports games on the market
llamaverox
1 year ago
@BigCastle00 wrote:
The game isn’t good and yes other players do make mistakes that can lead to goals, etc. However when you look at the overall make up of this game it’s trash. It becomes more noticeable when you stop playing it for a while and then come back to it. Personally I’ve been playing MLB the Show. Now, this game of course just like any other has its issues as well. When I came back for a game of hockey the other day my initial reaction was wow!, this game is very bad. The Show has never made me say that. Like I said it has its issues but not to the extent that this game has. Same can be said for NBA 2K and Madden, the other sports games on the market
To be fair this one sells less copies than every one of those series. Baseball is an easy sport to replicate, and Madden has been not fun for years. The RNG is annoying in EA games.

The main issue I have is defense is non existent. You can stand up a guy, try to rip the puck. Guy will tank it walk through and get an easy break. It's like, I just want a consistent product that rewards smart hockey vs letting people force nonsense all day.
One great change that could be made is poke check having another option where you steal the puck vs just poking it out. Have stick battles between guys about who can play it better instead of just poke checking it and it immediately going to another player on offense.