Re: Will there be a EA PGA Tour 2025?

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@Mickstudio1308 wrote:
@Kayser_Soze3No the game is a live service so no new release. At the moment we just expect that the "live" is on.

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As @Mickstudio1308 stated this is a live service, so they will just continue to build on this game.

What they should do is release a new game called "EA PGA Tour - Sim Edition"... to capture an audience that they have alienated.

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@Mickstudio1308 wrote:
@ELF014I'm a sim player and yes if I play very well I can win every tournament in the career mode so I will like to have harder setting. But what exactly you think EA could do to please us ?

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When I was playing this game... I played with a stock character (no skills, etc...) on SIM settings with additional features disabled. The only thing enabled was the wind meter.

With career mode set to 100% and playing 4 full rounds, I would take the lead in every tournament by Saturday and start pulling away from the field.

A lot of tournaments had someone shooting -10 or something extremely low in round 1 so it took me a few rounds to track the leaders down.

But to answer your question, the game just doesn't play realistically... the greens are way too slow. The ball physics don't feel right at times. I have hit wedges into greens that slope into me that will roll out... and on the very next hole on a green sloping away from me have the ball spin back uphill 30 feet.

Rough has no effect in reducing distance, or reducing spin on the ball. Flop shots are too easy to hit, and stick like glue from every type of lie or green slope. The lack of spin on mid irons is also odd an odd combination for how easy it is to stick shorter clubs. The fall off seems quite extreme.

Don't get me wrong for those looking for a fun, casual outing I think this fits that itch. But for someone looking for a more realistic experience this isn't it.

My issue with EA is that this was packaged and advertised as a full on simulation experince using Shot Link... multiple shot types so you can play like a pro. To be honest I don't thing I ever used more than 6 shot types because scoring in this game was so easy.

If EA had packaged this as just a GOLF GAME, I wouldn't have as much of an issue. I would put it in the category of Mario Golf and Hot Shots Golf. But when they promoted it the way they did... I expected more realism.

What happened to Electronic Arts original slogan... "If it's in the game... it's in the game!"

@Mickstudio1308If this is a 'live service' game, where are the PGA challenges that they were adding last season within 1 week of the PGA event ending? We've already had probably 6+ events this PGA season on courses that are in this game and no new challenges have been added.  It feels to me like the game has been mostly abandoned, aside from some planned updates that were probably already done over a year ago. I hope I'm wrong.

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@Mickstudio1308 wrote:
@ELF014I don't disagree with you but I think that you are exaggerating. I agree that the game is too easy and that some shot type like flop shot are too easily perfect, but I totally disagree that it is an arcade game that can be compare to mario golf ... Common man the game is a next gen golf game with stunning graphics, near perfect swing animation, very good feeling of the swing and I think I'm pretty good at the game too but to win the tournament I have to play my best golf game.

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I guess that is where we differ in opinion. I don't consider myself great at this game... yet with a stock character playing against 100% AI... I am winning every tournament in career mode with 4 full rounds.

The graphics are better than 2K without a doubt..  and I agree J like the swing animation much better. But calling this nextgen graphics is a stretch.

Check out what companies are doing with the Unreal Engine... I don't know it translate to a sports title... but looking at some of the new titles out there... those are nextgen graphics.

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@ELF014 wrote:

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@Mickstudio1308 wrote:
@ELF014I'm a sim player and yes if I play very well I can win every tournament in the career mode so I will like to have harder setting. But what exactly you think EA could do to please us ?

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When I was playing this game... I played with a stock character (no skills, etc...) on SIM settings with additional features disabled. The only thing enabled was the wind meter.

With career mode set to 100% and playing 4 full rounds, I would take the lead in every tournament by Saturday and start pulling away from the field.

A lot of tournaments had someone shooting -10 or something extremely low in round 1 so it took me a few rounds to track the leaders down.

But to answer your question, the game just doesn't play realistically... the greens are way too slow. The ball physics don't feel right at times. I have hit wedges into greens that slope into me that will roll out... and on the very next hole on a green sloping away from me have the ball spin back uphill 30 feet.

Rough has no effect in reducing distance, or reducing spin on the ball. Flop shots are too easy to hit, and stick like glue from every type of lie or green slope. The lack of spin on mid irons is also odd an odd combination for how easy it is to stick shorter clubs. The fall off seems quite extreme.

Don't get me wrong for those looking for a fun, casual outing I think this fits that itch. But for someone looking for a more realistic experience this isn't it.

My issue with EA is that this was packaged and advertised as a full on simulation experince using Shot Link... multiple shot types so you can play like a pro. To be honest I don't thing I ever used more than 6 shot types because scoring in this game was so easy.

If EA had packaged this as just a GOLF GAME, I wouldn't have as much of an issue. I would put it in the category of Mario Golf and Hot Shots Golf. But when they promoted it the way they did... I expected more realism.

What happened to Electronic Arts original slogan... "If it's in the game... it's in the game!"

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First off, I definitely hope there is not a 2025.  I prefer a live service and prefer this game be updated.  I'll pay for pro passes if the game continues to evolve.  We need to go back to games being supported for years by developers instead of whipping out a new version with minimal updates every year.  That model is a giant rip off.   I played DOD, TF, & CS then CS Source for the cost of Half-Life for like 12 years before ponying up for CS:GO, and  played that until migration to CS 2  last year (for free!).   I want support like that for my purchases!

Second, I do agree with many of the items you specifically mention, but not all:

Agree:

Rough has no effect in reducing distance, or reducing spin on the ball.

Flop shots are too easy to hit, and stick like glue from every type of lie or green slope. 

Disagree:

The greens are way too slow.   

           These seem to vary by course with Augusta being the fastest.  There are a few courses (like the Wetlands, where I would agree seem to slow); however, most seem reasonable to me.  

The ball physics don't feel right at times. I have hit wedges into greens that slope into me that will roll out... and on the very next hole on a green sloping away from me have the ball spin back uphill 30 feet.  

 I don't really experience this since the very early iterations of the game.

The lack of spin on mid irons is also odd an odd combination for how easy it is to stick shorter clubs. The fall off seems quite extreme.

I also don't experience this (or maybe we define mid-iron differently?  I consider them 7-9 based on sets I play personally.)  I would imagine this may be due to you not allocating skill points.   All irons through 6i seem to have a reasonable progression for spin to me.  I would say at the 5 there is a bit of a leap that could be tightened up a bit, but it isn't anything that can't be accounted for.

Overall, the game is far too easy.   I don't play SIM because I don't like 2-dimensional putting, but I have no trouble shooting 18+ under par on Tour or Tour+ settings (Tour + = I remove the zoom and shot shaping in career).   I also allocate all my skill points, though I have removed them from putting in order to give some challenge.

I think the progression in the game is a big cause of a lot of a lot of complaints.  The "RNG"  is all over the place until you allocate skill points and get legend blueprints, but once those are in, it all comes down to who sneezes during a backswing and finally misses a birdie or par 5 eagle.

At end game (skills allocated and legend blueprints) there are definitely tweaks that need to be made.  The #1 really being that RNG for distance and spin needs to be cranked up considerably for all shots out of the rough and even more so out of the heavy rough. #2 being the flop shot needs to be more like the blast shot (has rollout) when it comes out of the rough. #3 Driver RNG needs increased for Power drives.  Right now, this game is bomb it 380, hit 60 wedge from fairway 90% of the time.  

Disagree:

The greens are way too slow.   

           These seem to vary by course with Augusta being the fastest.  There are a few courses (like the Wetlands, where I would agree seem to slow); however, most seem reasonable to me.  

The ball physics don't feel right at times. I have hit wedges into greens that slope into me that will roll out... and on the very next hole on a green sloping away from me have the ball spin back uphill 30 feet.  

 I don't really experience this since the very early iterations of the game.

The lack of spin on mid irons is also odd an odd combination for how easy it is to stick shorter clubs. The fall off seems quite extreme.

I also don't experience this (or maybe we define mid-iron differently?  I consider them 7-9 based on sets I play personally.)  I would imagine this may be due to you not allocating skill points.   All irons through 6i seem to have a reasonable progression for spin to me.  I would say at the 5 there is a bit of a leap that could be tightened up a bit, but it isn't anything that can't be accounted for.

Overall, the game is far too easy.   I don't play SIM because I don't like 2-dimensional putting, but I have no trouble shooting 18+ under par on Tour or Tour+ settings (Tour + = I remove the zoom and shot shaping in career).   I also allocate all my skill points, though I have removed them from putting in order to give some challenge.

I think we are pretty much on the same page. My prime example for green speeds in this game is the 16th hole at Augusta with the day 4 pin location. Any ball that is feeding down to the hole from the upper right tier shouldn't stop on the slope. It has happened a copious amount of times to me. Plus the ball when putting doesn't seem to stop naturally to me. It lacks some rollout... it stops a little to abruptly.

And I agree with you about the irons... 7-9 I can live with... but somewhere around the 5-6 irons things fall off the table. Some adjustment is needed. They apparently have this off trackman data you would think it would be better.

And your last statement sort of validates my post. You have no trouble shooting -18 on Tour... Playing on FULL SIM, which is EA's SIM settings plus whatever else I can reasonably disable, and no skill or specs I was still averaging -5 on rounds.

This game is great for the more casual player but lacks gameplay for the more serious golfer. But maybe that is the market they are trying to capture. I was just hoping they were looking for a bigger marketshare.

@Mickstudio1308 The man is right, it is closer to an arcade game like Mario Golf or Everybody’s Golf than a simulation golf game. Not even 2K really nails it with their latest effort. What this generation of consoles can do is much more than what EA have done. Apart from gameplay issues, I’ll just list some things that can be done that would put this in a much better place in terms of content and customisation 

Club loft and lie angle adjustments

Shaft flex and weight

Driving range with GC Quad type features showing launch angles, directions, spin rates, face to path angles etc

Being able to open up club faces to adjust dynamic lofts for flop shots and other high lofted shots

Adjusting one’s own stance to the ball like opening it up for a fade

Theres many more too but of course, these are optional and those that don’t understand the intricacies of golf don’t have to learn them, but for those that do understand them like myself and ELF, give us that level of control and difficulty

I’d hate to say it, but probably Everybody’s Golf VR is closer to golf simulation that EA’s game as it seemed to understand golf better in terms of the actual swing even if I couldn’t execute a flop shot on it like I can in real life 😆

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@ELF014 wrote:

And your last statement sort of validates my post. You have no trouble shooting -18 on Tour... Playing on FULL SIM, which is EA's SIM settings plus whatever else I can reasonably disable, and no skill or specs I was still averaging -5 on rounds.

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I agree career mode is too easy, but why not play multiplayer if you want a challenge? Shooting a few strokes under par on sim with no attributes is easy. Shooting -15 on sim every single round isn't, even fully leveled up, but that's what the best players are doing.

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@drewgriffiths wrote:

I’d hate to say it, but probably Everybody’s Golf VR is closer to golf simulation that EA’s game as it seemed to understand golf better in terms of the actual swing even if I couldn’t execute a flop shot on it like I can in real life 😆

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Golf+ on quest 3 is great too.

"it is closer to an arcade game like Mario Golf or Everybody’s Golf than a simulation golf game."

This is what folks just don't want to hear, but it's true

This plays a really bad game of actual golf if we are being honest

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@lolwhat1234 wrote:

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@ELF014 wrote:

And your last statement sort of validates my post. You have no trouble shooting -18 on Tour... Playing on FULL SIM, which is EA's SIM settings plus whatever else I can reasonably disable, and no skill or specs I was still averaging -5 on rounds.

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I agree career mode is too easy, but why not play multiplayer if you want a challenge? Shooting a few strokes under par on sim with no attributes is easy. Shooting -15 on sim every single round isn't, even fully leveled up, but that's what the best players are doing.

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I have no interest in birdiefests... I want to grinding out pars, when it is warranted on a difficult hole. If I miss a shot I want to work out how to make a par from where I am.

It isn't about shooting -15, it is about translating a realistic experience from the gold course into this virtual environment.

I play ridiculously difficult settings in 2K and seldom do I break par anymore... but I enjoy it more than when I was consistently shooting 5 to 10 under. And those that I play with agree, score is just a measuring tool. 

But when things are too easy there is little to seperate us.

I don't think the best players are playing this game.

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@BuckHasTheBook wrote:

"it is closer to an arcade game like Mario Golf or Everybody’s Golf than a simulation golf game."

This is what folks just don't want to hear, but it's true

This plays a really bad game of actual golf if we are being honest

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A voice of reason.

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@drewgriffiths wrote:

@Mickstudio1308 The man is right, it is closer to an arcade game like Mario Golf or Everybody’s Golf than a simulation golf game. Not even 2K really nails it with their latest effort. What this generation of consoles can do is much more than what EA have done. Apart from gameplay issues, I’ll just list some things that can be done that would put this in a much better place in terms of content and customisation 

Club loft and lie angle adjustments

Shaft flex and weight

Driving range with GC Quad type features showing launch angles, directions, spin rates, face to path angles etc

Being able to open up club faces to adjust dynamic lofts for flop shots and other high lofted shots

Adjusting one’s own stance to the ball like opening it up for a fade

Theres many more too but of course, these are optional and those that don’t understand the intricacies of golf don’t have to learn them, but for those that do understand them like myself and ELF, give us that level of control and difficulty

I’d hate to say it, but probably Everybody’s Golf VR is closer to golf simulation that EA’s game as it seemed to understand golf better in terms of the actual swing even if I couldn’t execute a flop shot on it like I can in real life 😆

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100%

it feels like nobody on the dev team actually plays golf in real life. Especially the ball physics are really off. 100+ yard rollout on links courses and wedges spinning like crazy out of knee high links rough or flop shots just off the green spinning back just isn´t realistic.

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@f6ed7f4f7c3f6c93 wrote:

it feels like nobody on the dev team actually plays golf in real life. Especially the ball physics are really off. 100+ yard rollout on links courses and wedges spinning like crazy out of knee high links rough or flop shots just off the green spinning back just isn´t realistic.

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I actually agree with you there. What you mentioned is especially common in Wolf Creek. I have played the Tiger Woods series since 2003. The TW games just had much better ball physics. I think the devs for that series got advice from Tiger himself. That’s why those games were much funner. EA has the IP for this series and I am hoping EA PGA Tour 2025 resembles TW14 with better graphics. It’s so shocking a game more than 10 years ago is better.

Dude stop complaining! It’s video game.. second that a golf video game! 

need something harder go play fallout on game pass! 

You’re giving me a headache with your Karen personality! 

@winnsnipA complainer about some one else complaing who's the Karen personality now?

When I play against a friend of mine online, we no longer have anything like the career mode. There's no ball markers, there's no fast forward, the ball goes through the gallery instead of bouncing off of them, you cannot concede a hole in match Play. There aren't enough sponsors and the sponsors don't give you anything. You have to buy it all. And career mode you're playing for chump change instead of  money. The very best golf game to date is Tiger Woods 2014 and I'm surprised that EA Sports have hired designers that know nothing about the game of golf

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@Moonie54 wrote:

The very best golf game to date is Tiger Woods 2014 and I'm surprised that EA Sports have hired designers that know nothing about the game of golf

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@Moonie54  This is kind of funny. The Lead Designer for this EA golf game was also working on TW12, TW13 and TW14.  And he has left to go working as Lead Designer for the new 2K golf game.

So, who's programing upgrades for the PGA Tour Road to the Masters ?

EA downsized and fired some 670 employees this year, cancelled and stopped support for anything not making enough money... so nobody is working on this game anymore. The game is dead. EA CEO called that layoff and sunsetting games.