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Zaheen1337
10 years ago
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Abilities: Mech Counters

Hello,

I have heard many zombie players make claims about easily being able to counter a Mech with 3 Corn players, or with a combination of Sunbeam, Pea Gatling, Goop etc etc etc...

To be honest I'm getting tired of hearing the same nonsense over and over again.

Whoevers idea it was to give team zombies a 350-400 health Mech, with abilities that make it even more broken needs a slap. Yes I've said it...

As amazing as this class is, beautiful in its design and nature, brutally dangerous and fearsome. It doesn't exactly make the game feel balanced.

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Lets break it down, for those who don't understand.

The reason Sunbeam and Pea Gatling are redundant now for the most part is because they are completely immobile, this makes them incredibly vulnerable and in my opinion useless. Here is why...

  • Super Brainz has the OP Fireball
  • Soldier have ZPG
  • Engineer has a Turret equivalent
  • Pirate has a Cannon equivalent
  • Scientists just warp behind and pew pew them to bits
  • All Star has Imp Punt and Ultra Tackle which knocks them out of rooted mode

Wait, we are missing one class here, ahh that's right the Imp...

Well we are trying to counter Imps Mech, but basic Imp knocks them out of rooted mode too with Gravity Grenade.

Imps Mech:

What happens when you root Sunbeam or Pea Gatling, and the Mech walks and moves behind an obstacle?

 

That makes two major counters useless and redundant, and no, it doesn't mean the Mech is just a better player. It means the plants no longer have the counters all of you Mech lovers are suggesting we do.

I just don't get it, did zombies really need more attacking power from the first version of the game? Every class was already designed around attack.

Thats why they gave Engineer a Turret and Scientist a heal beam...

Why did they balance this game so badly?

Discuss here please...maybe someone out there can explain it to me. I cannot understand why almost every zombie character has twice the damage output of most of the plants.

I cannot understand it.

Health values and damage values have to be the same, new abilities are being added for zombies but not for plants. Why?

  1. Why wasn't Sunflower given Warp and a Shotgun, or balanced equally with the Scientist?
  2. Why wasn't Cactus given a Turret and a Shotgun, or balanced equally with the Pirate?
  3. Why wasn't Rose balanced equally to the Engineer?
  4. Why wasn't Peashooter balanced equally to All Star?
  5. Why wasn't Chomper given range abilities, or balanced equally with Electro Brainz? Who was suppose to be a melee class also...
  6. Why wasn't Citron balanced towards the Mech better? It takes at least 2-3 Citrons to kill a Mech in a shoot down? Surely it should be 1v1 and Citron should win every time, if he was really a counter to the Mech.
  7. Why wasn't Corn given 250-300 Damage on his Shuck Shot, similar to the Soldier ZPG?

There is no plant that has 300 health, ZPG doesn't need to be able to do 300 damage. Mechs have 350-400 damage, even if Shuck Shot did 300 damage, it still wouldn't kill a Mech.

This is open to discussion for all, I'm not trying to suggest anything or. Answers and opinions of others will justify everything surely.

I am not biased towards either side.

There is MAJOR imbalance in this game, and I am merely addressing it.

  • EA_Andy's avatar
    EA_Andy
    10 years ago

    Thread locked.

    Once again too many insults flying about.

    - Andy -

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  • JarlAdalbert's avatar
    JarlAdalbert
    10 years ago

    Lets start by how you call everyone who disagrees with you a zombie fanboy or just a  zombie player. However, when someone makes assumptions about you, [admin - removed]

    [admin - removed] Seriously? The imp pulls out its phone to call for a mech and you have optimal time to reposition yourself very carefully and the moment you know it can take damage, you can easily destroy the thing. Are you unable to formulate strategy of any kind or must the game be bent over to your will. I have grown tired of your non sense and your demands to make each faction the exact same as one another. 

    That energy ball travels slow enough for you to dodge extremely easily and gives plenty of time to leave immobile mode and bounce. But that is probably too much work for you. 

    Soldiers have always had ZPG, welcome to garden Warfare. Play the first one again. 

    The engineer equivalent is easily counted by shuckshot or get this; a chomper sneaking up and snaring it. Gasp.

    Repeat process with Cannon as Big Bolt.

    Plants have heavy mobility, this includes Husk Hop, Hyper, Burrow, Rainbow Warp, Citron Ball. Scientist can also be coutned by the support class Rose with Time snare or Goatify. 

    Go play first again. 

    Already mentioned how the Pea or Sunflower can position themselves accordingly, burn down and wait for them to come back. Yay, balance. 

    Lets start here now. 

    1. Because they did not want them to be the same exact class on opposite teams. How boring would that be. One is assassin, one is support.

    2. Because they did not want them to be the same exact class on opposite teams. How boring would that be. Cactus do more damage from afar anyway. 

    3. They both build teleporters so they must be mortal enemies. 

    4. Because the Peashooters enemy is the foot soldier if there was one. Kernel is All stars enemy. Also, you have trouble killing an allstar with a peashooter? Wow.

    5. Chomper can one shot any class but the giant Mech. (makes sense) It has a ranged ability that does 100 damage. Congratz. There it is.

    6. His Em-Peach is a coutner to mech to help slow it down so in this TEAM game, like what this game is and what Turf Takeover definitely is, your team can tear it down.

    7. Each shot from Shuck shot does 150 damage on a full hit. Lets do basic math. 150 multiplied by 2.....300?! WOW!

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  • Zaheen1337's avatar
    Zaheen1337
    10 years ago

    You can either edit out your insults or the mods can.

    Zombie lover. 🙂

  • JarlAdalbert's avatar
    JarlAdalbert
    10 years ago

    And now I know I have won this argument. The mods will edit them out for me and seeing as how you were unable to formulate proper responses to my logical reasoning's that shut your falsified beliefs down. I know that you have failed and cant think of any more lies. When you get back on the game, hop on plants and use that brain. I know it will be hard for you, but you will get the hang of the plant team and start to win. 

  • Zaheen1337's avatar
    Zaheen1337
    10 years ago

    @JarlAdalbert

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    For your information, I think I'll stay on the zombie team for now, I like the fact I can use broken game mechanics to rack up easy kills and coins. It's just 2 shots and everything is dead.

    I'm am so amazing at this game.

  • JarlAdalbert's avatar
    JarlAdalbert
    10 years ago

    That is good for you, play the scientist which hasn't changed since the first one. You did play the first one right?

  • JarlAdalbert's avatar
    JarlAdalbert
    10 years ago

    Oooo, you reverted to telling me to commit suicide which is far worse than throwing simple insults around. I am sure the Devs will like, maybe I'll screenshot it. 

    Also, omg you have the unicorn chomper? So do I. Is yours mastered? Doubt it because you obviously don't know how to play a chomper. 

  • Zaheen1337's avatar
    Zaheen1337
    10 years ago

    Print it, frame it, send it to the Queen for all I care. Go out there and do it, you won't be missed by me?

    I haven't told you to do anything, except stop spamming my thread. You're going to get yourself in trouble and my thread locked, it was a perfectly good thread until you responded on it. 🙂

    In that tone at least...

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