About time you screw over zombie effects too

Honestly I think the main tool Plants have against trick decks is certain control decks of their own, or a bunch of aggro decks. I win against a lot of trick based decks with a few heroes. Early game that forces them to keep up with tricks or fall behind and die. Mid game thats robust and generate card advantage and Solid late game. Brainana is your best friend. Replay them again with the bounce your own plant guy.

I play a LOT of plants and I might loose occasional vs trick decks, but I feel like I have more then my fair share of chances against any archetype. Obviously if you play against a perfect opening hand/curve, you can lose to ANY strategy.

I think the plants have enough tools to win against any zombie decks. you have to be a bit lucky sometimes and make the smart plants. 

But CC repeat is unfavored against trick-heavy decks. It's the whole rock-paper-scissors thing. 

It's unrelated gut he is literally the only hero out of 20 I NEVER play because I don't like the deck options he has. To each his own though 🙂

@Borisso I understand the reasoning behind it... but since you bring it up, zombies have plenty up their sleeves too. Deadly, gravestones, frenzy, etc... also having bonus attacks and freeze (not to the level of plants, but lurch for lunch is a truly great card and trickster can be devastating and potentially free)

Again, i don't think anything needs nerfed, more that, with cards like def end and bonus bucket they now have cards that can effectively shut playstyles down. I mean, plant flood and time to shine are worthless with bonus bucket... that's a bit on the powerful side. I can understand shutting down the effect on plants, but not a 4 cost trick (tricks should still activate imo. I can think of any other single card that can stop a superpower from having any use.)

All I'm asking for is fair play. Let the plant side completely shut down entire decks with a 4 cost card... turnabout is fair play, and it's not like it was unbalanced before the introduction of those cards when two higher level players went at it.

They've worked awefully hard to curb the power of bonus attacks and plant control decks, but prof valk is still out there regulating on turn six. Again, not OP; but it is just as strong as troller flare was before def end, but we nothing had really been out in place to match def end on plant side.

I'm not at all saying my decks are useless. I've worked around most cards by changing my decks and strategies. I'm just saying it would be nice to get similar cards on the plant side. Options. Options are never bad and for every card you get, you have to give something up.

As for CC... you really should try my deck out. It's absurd and a ruin of fun to play. These are a couple of screenshots from today. Granted, not the highest level opponents, but it can hold it's own even against ultimate players.

What are your thoughts on chomp? I'm looking to build a deck with more synergy... all the way to the superpowers. Plants side I've got just about everything. What are you running?

I think that a Black-Eyed on turn 2 is pretty good against Trick decks, and Sportacus on turn 3 is even BETTER. The fact that it has 3 attack puts it in the dead range of killing tricks (Rolling Stone kills a plant with 2 or less, and Rocket Science kills a plant with 4 or more.)

Talking a little bit about what you are saying, messing up with zombie effects, I don't think it's necessary.

Plants already have a way to kill gravestone zombies, and another one to reveal them. And... that's pretty much it. Zombies don't have super unique characteristics like plants do.

Deadly? Sure. There are only 3 zombies with deadly. (without counting the Super Stench superpower). And you can easily counter it with a team-up plant.

See, both parties have their things.

Plants have team-up characteristics, and zombie players aren't complaining about it. 

Plants have the freeze characteristic (even an AoE one), and zombie players aren't complaining about it.

Speaking about AoE, some plants have Splash Damage or AoE attacks, and zombie players aren't complaining about it.

The game is balanced, you just need to know how to play around it.

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@daalnnii wrote:
I would agree about black eyed and sportacus, but they can be killed by a trick the turn they're played... 

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Sportacus can't be killed instantly by a trick. It needs to have it's attack lowered to be killed by Rolling Stone or have it's attack increased to be killed by Rocket Science.

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@daalnnii wrote:
And since you brought up deadly... how many plants have bonus attacks every turn? Well, they still got a card.

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The point here is that the plants can easily  kill you with their bonus attacks without any counter-measure. Re-Peat Moss + Blazing Bark + Berry Blast = (2 +4) + [3 + (2 +4)]  = 15 damage. Your hero is almost dead with just 7 suns.

Just to compare some numbers, Wall-Nut Bowling may do a potential 18 damage if ALL the ground lanes are empty. And that costs 10 suns.

(And that is without counting that the Moss still attacks after the zombies tricks. If the zombie can't kill the Moss, that is another 6 damage direclty to the face.)

The zombie hero may be dead in just one turn even if the plant hero have an empty board.

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@daalnnii wrote:
Also, plants have 1 card that deals with gravestones, nobody carries it because if they don't have gravestones, it's truly a useless card. Can the same be said for bonus bucket?

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You still have a 2/1 amphibious plant. You can use it to kill MOST amphibious zombies (Dolphin Rider, Snorkel Zombie, Impfinity Clone, Octo-Pet, Fishy Imp, Toxic Waste Imp).

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@daalnnii wrote:
I do play around it. I'm just saying plants have no strategy killer single cards like zombies. Its time to get some. (And the game was balanced enough before, that they weren't necessary. Its just good to have cards that introduce new mechanics... ... but that goes for both sides)

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I agree with this part, but at their time. I suppose they will introduce an anti-characteristic for every characteristic in the game. For example, if they release a big amount of armored zombies and that becomes the new meta, you can bet they are gonna release something to counter it. (Maybe a Magnet-shroom)

The point is that, at least right now, I don't think that zombies have that immense power that NEEDS a card to counter them.

@daalnnii You're right, I totally forgot about Zombot's Wrath. MB.

Yes, I'm telling you that I think that eventually, all characteristics are going to have a counter.

They released Spyris for the gravestone zombies, and Bonus Track Buckethead for that bonus attack based plants.

Is one for each side, and I think that's fair.

But, who knows?

Maybe the next set of event cards will include one that make zombies unable to play tricks, or one that makes zombies inmune to freeze.