@Bazzilicious wrote:I actually think he's fine where he's at now. Using an uncharged shot does do very little damage to the main target, but when the electricity forks out, the damage nearby enemies receive is much more significant with multiple hits.
Against small browncoat hordes yes, even a charged shot can take care of basic ones and damage hat variants in a second (but those mobs arent the ones responsible for "whole team on low health" situations) but thats it.
I play a lot as Citrons and with other variants while taking the damage for the team I can still damage the boss/ strong enemy back, but with electro just feels like im just a meat shield and shooting or not shooting doesnt make a big difference.
I know I know, since its electric its aimed for multiple enemies and makes it difficult to face a single one since it does less damage than non elemental projectiles, but all the other electric variants in the game keep the same type of attack (sunflower keeps full auto petals, cactus keeps single precise needles, engineer keeps single strong projectiles) + electric arcs and can still do decent damage, this citron changes to this small needle/pea projectile with low damage that is different from any other weapon.
@Rhendyr wrote:So, LB, to me, it sounds more like a play style incompatibility rather than a specific weakness. The Electro Citron is about AoE dmg more than single target dmg. He's actually stronger vs groups than 1vs1, so, trying to balance him on a single target basis (based on how much dmg he does to his prime target and the max amount of dmg he can deal to that target alone) is simply, wrong.
So, talking non-charged, he can deal 66 dmg to his prime target, but now, lets say there is a group of 3 zombies approaching you (which you're going to start seeing more clustering now with Rose being nerfed), he now does 198 dmg with that one clip. 4 enemies, 264, and so on. If one wants more of a single target variant, then that's what they should pick. One should not pick an AoE machine, and then try to get it buffed to also be a lot better at being a single target toon, that would then make it OP compared to the other Citron variants.
Actually the 66 dmg doesnt arc/ multiplies across targets, the prime one gets hit with 66 (if youre lucky enough to hit in the head) and all the others get hit with 10 dmg. Sunflower had small electric projectiles too but it was full auto (cant miss that easily) so each dealt 7 dmg+10 dmg. Its not as OP as you just said (264 in a crowd, wow), try it to check by yourself
The electric arc itself does more damage than the main projectile, if a laser isnt possible at least make the normal non-charged shots more powerful (its not a full auto weapon so shouldnt be less than 7 but its not a slow pea/concrete either so less than 20)
This is a single shot precise weapon so each shot shouldnt do less than full auto ones.
Charged version should get higher arc damage than 10 (charged or not charged its 10, if its a crowd control weapon the crowd control feature should be charged/increased too, whats the point in charging if its not going to do increased charged damage to the whole crowd too? Not as AoE monster as it seems),
I tried him a bit, His uncharged shot could maybe use a small damage buff,but his charged shot are fine, the shock effect is decent too. Only use uncharged shot against group otherwise you're better off with a half-charged shot.
I do agree that his primary shot should be a bit stronger; he has a very strong charge shot which doesn't need to be touched at all, but the shot that isn't charged is super weak, making him very vulnerable when fighting close. It's weird for a Citron to be vulnerable at close combat.
Everybody here be like, "So what if he levels groups of people!? He's too weak 1vs1!! Buff his primary target dmg!"
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Honestly Citron in general needs a buff he is not a tank if anything he gets vanquished faster do to his gigantic hitbox, his damage is very underwhelming too.
@LBPlombax7 wrote:
As I said before myself can do fine with the other Citrons, he's meant to be a support tank so the damage can't be ultra high
But this one is just not able to support correctly, heavily depends on others to do the damage, he can't deal with groups properly like Electric are supposed to.
All the electrics are balanced because they used a simple formula (Take normal proj of that class, reduce damage and add electric arcs, that's it)
Instead of doing that to Citron they messed up and mixed everything in an unbalanced new weapon.
I'm not asking for "make him the strongest citron ever, able to go against everything and everyone 1vs1" I'm asking for a citron that does electric damage able to defend himself !
Citron class is supposed to be in the front lines next to other players using shields to protect them, stuns to avoid incoming threats and a laser to keep them under pressure, staying away charging shots and being as vulnerable close range as a cactus isn't appropriate
If you can't make lv1 proj bigger or with increased AoE stats ,keeping it difficult to use, at the very least give him more health+ammo to survive more time while charging the level 2/3 proj he depends so much on
Yes but still Citrons have these problems not just the Electric one, Citrons in general are not good at close range, have low damage, and do not have enough health and armor to actually be a Tank. As the Imp Mech has taught us if you are focused on you will be vanquished very quickly and Citron has the same problem as the Mechs do.
