Alright Chomper needs some work, since he's the only melee class the Plants have and I feel they need a stronger close range offense character. A Chomper should be feared, atm he's just one huge critical shot walking around.So here are some viable solutions to help him out.- Give him damage reduction as he's chewing on a Zombie.- Increase Bite damage to 40-50.- Invulnerability as he burrows.- A Gooped enemy should digest faster as that's just logical, since ya know he's using his own stomach acid to goop them.- Size could factor in digestion time. So for instance an Imp would be a quick digestion for him and All-Star would be devoured slower.- Health could even determine digestion time, so a full health Zombie could digest slower than a Zombie on the brink of death.- Decrease Chomp Cannon's cooldown time and increase it's over all damage.- Increase Chomper's base health to 200. Atm he's only 25 points higher than Kernel Corn, this is a no brainer.- A goop ability which inflicts considerable damage or dot.These are some of my solutions to even the odds. Would be interested in any more suggestions you guys can think of to help him out.

The Chomper is already very powerful, especially up close. And people fear him.The main problem is not his damage output (ever thought about the Fire variant?) but his standing on the battlefield, where he is an easy defenseless target everyone hates. And since people tend to go after the easy targets instead of the challenging ones, the Chomper is in the focus pretty fast. And to top it off many people play the Chomper wrong, ultimately leaving the wrong impression.So as experienced Chomper player i can say the Chomper needs more health. That's it. 25 more HP should do it. That would bring the Armor Chomper to 250 HP . Even 261 with the upgrade. Not to forget the Armor Chomper already has 50 dmg bites.The rest depends a lot on how he is played. And no one wants masses of rushing Chompers going solo on the enemy team. Which of course is often the cause of death after 1 kill.Right now we already have important changes affecting the Chomper in GW2. He is a powerful tool to burrow behind enemy lines and disable machinery. He can nullify the twister and barrel blast. He can trade some health for a burrow on an active twister. He can lock campers in place over a long distance so the own snipers can take care of them. Not to forget how powerful goop in general is. Goop only lacks the 35 damage it could deal in GW1 as cheese type.His main problem is just that people like to shoot defenseless targets. And that is the big Chomper when he digests and also in general. But it is necessary to balance that insta-kill out with a downside. And it is not simply an insta-kill as the victim ends up unrevivable. And especially the unrevivable status effect is something only one zombie class has to offer now: Cozmic Brains. But only under certain circumstances that are not guaranteed to happen.And even more changes have been made. Thinking of the annoying respawn exploit that plagued the first GW. Or the broken ZPG animation that made rockets go off inside the chompers mouth, killing him in the process and freeing the victim. Those times are over. Now he can even devour an active Impkata Imp. Which is hilarious to watch anytime by the way.The only thing i don't understand is why he does no longer get XP for removing armor from AI zombies. And why he can no longer remove armor from AI zombies with a spikeweed. Not to forget why the zombies no longer hang in the spikeweed. Which was a really nice animation. Gameplay wise one of the major problems he has is the randomness of a chomp that replaces a bite. That way a melee battle can lead to death as soon as the grab animation begins.In addition the Chomper should have the unique ability to be marked for a shorter amount of time, to increase his stealth capabilities behind cover or while burrowed.Teamplay wise i miss something crazy to happen when the Chomper manages to eat a goat. That's clearly a missed opportunity.So careful with the demands of buffs. Even if a Chomper dominated game would be something to watch. It would ultimately ruin the experience just like Rose did.

They need to bring back the cheesy (or rename it) goop. It did 30 DOT and helped their DPS immensely. It was great for the fire and elec chomper, but even a bigger help for Chomp Thing and Toxic. It would also make the bite from melee chompers more dangerous. Nothing was better than cheese gooping an engineer with the armor chomper, biting him twice and walking away waiting for that ping sound. Its like turning your back to an explosion. Its not a game changer, but consider that zombies have two 200 HP variants now. I would also recommend reducing the cool down on weed deployment.

Good changes, chomper has always been meh even in the first game. He needs a lot of little things. Also it wouldn't hurt to give plants more incentive to dive back lines so chomper isn't the only one back there. Also PLEASE fix the wonky camera when he does barrow

I think they just need to buff up the plants team as a whole. The original plants were all designed on very open maps with the enemy being seen way in advance, or much further. The zombies on the other hand were always capable of dealing out damage once they got in range. These new maps have allowed the zombies to dominate because of poor adjustment to the new maps. You know how fast the standard imp can dump his 35 rounds? I clocked it at 2.65 on my stopwatch. Do you know what it takes a vamp sunflower to do the same? 7.09 seconds. Takes the normal flower 6.6 seconds to dump 35 shots. Mob Corn? 5+ seconds.... The imp can actually win a straight shoot out, no movement against any Rose or Sunflower. I dare the devs to actually test something like that. And then they went ahead and made him small, and able to change direction midair, and the hardest to hit, and give him as much life as a vamp flower...Ridiculous.So in a game where cover is abound, and by the time you're face to face, whoever has the burst damage wins out. Guess who that is by a mile? The Zoologist can dump 9 shotgun shots in 3.21 seconds... 9! At 30 per piece that's 270 damage! Being a sunflower, a rose, a peashooter you're actually dead in a second. 1 second with 100 life. You know how much damage a plant can do in 1 second? About a quarter of the opponents life. There is a hedge or obstacle to hide around every 2 feet. There is no traversing in wide open areas in this game, where the plants can actually fight the way they were originally designed too. The devs made a massive mistake in refusing to adjust times with the new maps. And it's why scientists can run around killing a party of 3 before it even knew what hit them. Everyone talks about oh, the rose is a support class, it shouldn't deal damage. Well so is the scientist, and he hits like a truck.... Don't give me the excuse oh he's so close ranged. This game is designed to be a close ranged battle. His teleport allows him to go straight from a hedge to you, and you lose because there's no way you can burst him faster than he bursts you. I'm annoyed at the lack of attention the devs put into this game.

Undoing the goop nerf is pretty much mandatory at this point, for starters.

Lets fix Chomper | EA Forums

60 Replies

Anonymous
10 years ago
Either upping bite damage or decreasing swallowing time would really help him out.

I think you pretty much nailed it already. He does seem fairly weak compared to the zombie melee character, who also has range and damage resist.

If you want an additional idea, the vine trap could be changed to an attack similar to a lasso that either stops an enemy or pulls them to the chomper.
Rhendyr
10 years ago
I'm not sure "why" he needs help? He's my favorite toon on the Plants side, in a typical Team Vanquish game I get around 13-20 kills on him on average, and those are unrevivable kills. You see Brainz toons get kills like that regularly by diving a lot, but most of his kills are revived after he's dealt with.

I typically target Brainz or Scientist, to remove what is generally one of their better/best classes, which really hurts them. I also usually get around a 2:1 k/d ratio, so again, not seeing the problem with the class.
Screion
10 years ago
The Chomper is already very powerful, especially up close. And people fear him.
The main problem is not his damage output (ever thought about the Fire variant?) but his standing on the battlefield, where he is an easy defenseless target everyone hates. And since people tend to go after the easy targets instead of the challenging ones, the Chomper is in the focus pretty fast. And to top it off many people play the Chomper wrong, ultimately leaving the wrong impression.
So as experienced Chomper player i can say the Chomper needs more health. That's it. 25 more HP should do it. That would bring the Armor Chomper to 250 HP . Even 261 with the upgrade. Not to forget the Armor Chomper already has 50 dmg bites.
The rest depends a lot on how he is played. And no one wants masses of rushing Chompers going solo on the enemy team. Which of course is often the cause of death after 1 kill.
Right now we already have important changes affecting the Chomper in GW2. He is a powerful tool to burrow behind enemy lines and disable machinery. He can nullify the twister and barrel blast. He can trade some health for a burrow on an active twister. He can lock campers in place over a long distance so the own snipers can take care of them. Not to forget how powerful goop in general is. Goop only lacks the 35 damage it could deal in GW1 as cheese type.
His main problem is just that people like to shoot defenseless targets. And that is the big Chomper when he digests and also in general. But it is necessary to balance that insta-kill out with a downside. And it is not simply an insta-kill as the victim ends up unrevivable. And especially the unrevivable status effect is something only one zombie class has to offer now: Cozmic Brains. But only under certain circumstances that are not guaranteed to happen.
And even more changes have been made. Thinking of the annoying respawn exploit that plagued the first GW. Or the broken ZPG animation that made rockets go off inside the chompers mouth, killing him in the process and freeing the victim. Those times are over. Now he can even devour an active Impkata Imp. Which is hilarious to watch anytime by the way.
The only thing i don't understand is why he does no longer get XP for removing armor from AI zombies. And why he can no longer remove armor from AI zombies with a spikeweed. Not to forget why the zombies no longer hang in the spikeweed. Which was a really nice animation.
Gameplay wise one of the major problems he has is the randomness of a chomp that replaces a bite. That way a melee battle can lead to death as soon as the grab animation begins.
In addition the Chomper should have the unique ability to be marked for a shorter amount of time, to increase his stealth capabilities behind cover or while burrowed.
Teamplay wise i miss something crazy to happen when the Chomper manages to eat a goat. That's clearly a missed opportunity.
So careful with the demands of buffs. Even if a Chomper dominated game would be something to watch. It would ultimately ruin the experience just like Rose did.
IronCatFish47
10 years ago
They need to bring back the cheesy (or rename it) goop. It did 30 DOT and helped their DPS immensely. It was great for the fire and elec chomper, but even a bigger help for Chomp Thing and Toxic. It would also make the bite from melee chompers more dangerous. Nothing was better than cheese gooping an engineer with the armor chomper, biting him twice and walking away waiting for that ping sound. Its like turning your back to an explosion.

Its not a game changer, but consider that zombies have two 200 HP variants now. I would also recommend reducing the cool down on weed deployment.
Anonymous
10 years ago
Chomper is fine. If it gets any better it will be too powerful and everyone will use it. Armor chomper is absolutely insane! 50 damage bites 55 with damage upgrade and up to 248 health with both health upgrades once you hit master. Chomper is very skill based and very powerful.
Empzurg99
10 years ago
I regularly hit the top end of the leaderboard using my favorite character the Fire Chomper but I do agree with some of the points. The main thing I would like to see is a decrease in the digestion time, which can be a little too long even with the upogrades. It makes it impossible to kill in a group situation but I guess maybe that's the way the chomper is designed to be played, not to get involved in groups but pick off individuals.
However if you do eat somebody and there is another zombie anywhere nearby you know you face certain death, it would be nice to have some kind of escape plan.
KnowsNoLimit
10 years ago
I still think Chomper could use a buff.
No reason he shouldn't have damage reduction when chewing on a zombie, a health increase, faster digestion time and have the chomp cannon actually useful.
Not all spray Chompers are amazing as well. Look at Chomp thing, base 125 health and his damage is pitiful. Yet he's one of the coolest looking Chompers.
xar015
10 years ago
There is no reason that chompers should be out classed by the zombies close ranged fighters. They should get an upgrade to uphold the status quo between zombie classes and plant variants.
People complain that the plants need a good close combat fighter, and I agree. Chompers are that role that we have been looking for. To support an offensive strategy you need great close ranged power.
Rhendyr
10 years ago
@xar015 wrote:

There is no reason that chompers should be out classed by the zombies close ranged fighters. They should get an upgrade to uphold the status quo between zombie classes and plant variants.

People complain that the plants need a good close combat fighter, and I agree. Chompers are that role that we have been looking for. To support an offensive strategy you need great close ranged power.

While I'll agree they could use a good up close AoE fighter, Chomper doesn't need buffed to fit that role. He's strong as he is, if you buff him I'll go from getting 15 or so kills in a typical team vanquish game to 25 kills, those are unrevivable kills.

In reality, they need to give the Plants an up close AoE melee, and the Zombies a ranged CC specialist.

Plants are lacking a melee AoE Bruiser, and the Zombies have about 1/4th the Crowd Control as the Plants team, so, that would go a long way to helping both in an area they are weak in.
TaasteTheRainbo
10 years ago
Fast digestion. That's it