Lets fix Chomper

The scientist cannot harm a burrowed Chomper.

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@Rhendyr wrote:

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@KnowsNoLimit wrote:

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@Rhendyr wrote:

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@KnowsNoLimit wrote:

Digestion time would be fine if he had damage reduction when he's noming on a zombie.

It's not like you can't kill him, he will just have more of a fighting chance when he's in his most vulnerable state, especially useful if you accidentally swallow a summoned zombie.

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I don't feel he needs even that. I still get around a 2/1 k/d ratio with him using the Hot Rod Chomper. 

Yes, he's weak while eating/digesting, but he's scoring a kill on a player who can't be revived, that's a big deal. 

About the only change I would suggest, which like another has said, if he's gooped a target, make it quicker to eat/digest them, and that's about it. 

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I'm actually the one who said that hahaha. See the reason Hot Rod Chomper isn't affected as bad is the speed boost he receives once finishing his digestion, it's very effective to get out of danger. I still think damage reduction would be nice so he has more survivablity especially if he needs to put a dent into taking over the graveyard in Herbal Assault. The plants really need something for that mode.

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The plants need a melee bruiser, not a buff to Chomper. 

For anyone who has played League of Legends, I think the Plants need someone like Maokai. For those who haven't, he's basically a high hp bruiser with point blank AoE dmg (centered on him) who can travel quickly to a target (it's kind of like the Chompers burrow) and roots them in place for a second before reappearing near them and starting to fight. This would actually be a fun mechanic/character to play. 

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Exactly why I made this thread. We don't have a melee bruiser class for the Plants. So the idea behind it was to buff the Chomper to fit into that role. Although in my OP it gives ideas on how to do it, not that they should incorporate all of my suggestions.

So basically make him extraordinarily overpowered...

He's already strong. He's not as good as the other characters on a good player, but he's by far the best choice for a bad one.

I am a real fan of the timer based off size option you presented here. I love playing Chomper and I think that would fix some of his "downtime" issues.

The Chomper's fine - especially on defense. Just use cover, don't overextend, and take flanking routes. 

There is nothing scarier for a Zombie player than trying to sneak past a bunch of Chompers.

Gonna get my opinions in those buff one by one:

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@KnowsNoLimit wrote:
- Give him damage reduction as he's chewing on a Zombie.

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Not a bad idea. Remove some of the vulnerablity he have while chewing someone,which is always good for him.

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@KnowsNoLimit wrote:

- Increase Bite damage to 40-50.

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That wayyy too much. A buff to around 30-35 damage instead would be better. Also his spray variant kinda need the damage buff more right now.

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@KnowsNoLimit wrote:

- Invulnerability as he burrows.

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Hum...Chomper is already invulnerable while burrowing...Unless you mean the starting animation of it. That a no-no. Burrow isn't meant to be a jail free card. However, making him invincible a bit earlier during the animation would make sense.

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@KnowsNoLimit wrote:

- A Gooped enemy should digest faster as that's just logical, since ya know he's using his own stomach acid to goop them.

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Hum...No,it already easier to shallow someone with goop.Making it faster in top of that is a bit overkill. Especially if we add the other digestion buff you suggested.

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@KnowsNoLimit wrote:
- Size could factor in digestion time. So for instance an Imp would be a quick digestion for him and All-Star would be devoured slower.

- Health could even determine digestion time, so a full health Zombie could digest slower than a Zombie on the brink of death.

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Might as well just add the latter suggestion because it pretty much the same thing. While I agree of btw.

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@KnowsNoLimit wrote:

- Decrease Chomp Cannon's cooldown time and increase it's over all damage.

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I barely tried it,but I guess a lower cooldown would help,dunnos for a damage increase, it do 100 damage at direct hit. But at the same time,there stuff like ZPG and shuck shot that insta-kill anything in direct hit and those are fine.

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@KnowsNoLimit wrote:

- Increase Chomper's base health to 200. Atm he's only 25 points higher than Kernel Corn, this is a no brainer.

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Well,technically it still 25 point more. Which actually allow you to tank some stuff that would kill you (mainly barrel blast and imp punt),however chomper have a big head hitbox... For some reason I feel like that only basic chomper should get the hp buff and that his other variant should keep the same health. As he's rather bland compared to those.

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@KnowsNoLimit wrote:

- A goop ability which inflicts considerable damage or dot.

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So...Chomp cannon? Or cheesy goop return from GW1. Either one of those work for me.

Now in a whole...Chomper might be too strong with all of those but in the same time,he's still requicted to melee range with few approach options. But there one thing for sure: Even with the new maps that gave him a better time now. He still need a buff.

Zombies have two 200HP variants on their side that out DPS any Chomper's spray.  Toxic and Chomp Thing need cheesy goop bad.

Yup for all those people who are saying Chomper will be OP if he has all the buffs I mentioned really don't get the point of this thread. I'm not saying Chomper should have all those buffs, but he should have some of them and I even asked for people to share their ideas on what else they could do to improve him.

Chomp Cannon is sadly trash tier atm, it's just too weak for what it does. I mean if it would have AOE effect to it that goops surrounding targets it would of been much better.

You are far better off gooping someone or a group of zombies for the kill. I like others would love to see the return of a goop that does dot, cheesy goop is indeed missed.

Maybe one day we will get a Chomper made of cheese with the move hahaha.

Undoing the goop nerf is pretty much mandatory at this point, for starters.

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@ECM_Atlas wrote:

Undoing the goop nerf is pretty much mandatory at this point, for starters.

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I am still trying to wrap my head around why it was done in the first place.  Highly spammable isn't a bad thing when you consider:

-  Chompers can STILL lose against a goop target especially scientist when trying to get behind.

-  Chompers are vulnerable when digesting even with upgrades.  It needs to be able to have a slim chance of beating the next target if burrow isn't available.  Speaking of..

-  This added delay puts the Chomper at a grave disadvantage because there are times when the goop and burrow are cooling down.  Yes, those extra seconds make all the difference and unless you are using a spray chomper your goose is cooked and even then you have a slim chance without goop.

The Chompers goop has never been OP or an issue.  It has to be so that when it finishes digesting, it can fight again if someone doesn't take it down.  Try beating an IMP when your goop and burrow are recharging.  I won't even use the sticky goop at this point.  Its useless for spray chompers and the delay is so insane I can't use my burrow to close because I risk having both it and goop in cool down. 

The most important reason for the goop's normal cool down is it was completely reliable on it to do its primary job.  Most plants can fight without their skills, but the Chomper without its goop is not a Chomper.  Countless vids from GW1 with commentary express how important the goop is to Chomper gameplay. 

Please read this devs and consider in next patch putting it back the way it was.