Please balance heartichoke+ flytrap loop

Hey @Zekex, your prior post is in a thread.  http://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Balancing/m-p/6104992#M5114

The H+VF loop is similar to the prior double Strongberry loop, it's just that this loop has an added perk of the player gaining health.  It's a tough combo that needs to be dealt with ASAP (and I know it can't always be).  Sometimes we are at the mercy of RNG to trigger the shield block.  There are other combos, or even single cards (Espresso Fiesta), that can be game enders.  Some might say you just need to kill your opponent before they have a chance to play these cards.  At the moment, my two cents is this is fine as is, but that's just me.

BPRD

how do you end it early when wallknight is constantly healing/stalling with tacos/superpowers that heal and prevent hero damage? Plants get to react after zombies play so they get to control the zombie player with a mix of tricks like whack-a-zombie and plants like hot date, pear cub and wing nut. Wall knight isn't a pushover early. I even beat zookeeper pet decks and imp decks by stalling, chump blocking, healing until I get my combo. Don't you think it is too punishing for a combo to wreck/heal so much damage, twice?(If you consider the taco loop during playing phase)

I'm not giving feedback because I don't have it and want it nerfed. 

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I do have the plants required to pull off the broken combo, i'm speaking out because I do honestly think that it is an abomination that shouldn't exist in the game.

Hi, I can understand your frustration as I have played against a Plant deck similar to the one you have described two times since the update dropped. I lost the first game because I wasn't too knowledgeable about heartichoke's mechanics. Your BEST bet is too bring 8 environments (for anti-flytrap environment control). Yeah I know this sounds like a lot, but giving that you can play these on the tricks turn, you can easily shut down flytrap with the -1/-1 eclipse. Bungee plunger and chickening can be used to wipe 2/2 flytraps (I recommend saving these cards when you suspect that they're going to use the loop). Weed spray is almost a necessity if you want to quickly deal with the 2/2 Venus flytrap minions. Rocket can deal with fertilized/boosted heartichokes and flytraps. Best of luck 🙂 

         I agree with you. Heatichoke is too strength. Yesterday I tried to play him with flytrap environment by Rose. He can make 9-12 damages to Superbrain in 1 turn. If my opponent did not get Block meter, he will certainly die. And if I must face the opponent like this, l will not happy for sure.

         I think they should decrease health of Heatichoke from 4 to 2-3. It will make balance because almost of zombie trick can kill the plant with 2-3 health. Or decrease the strength to be 1-2. It will fair.

@Cancerroyale

please see the deck I used.I have detailed what steps I took to work around heartichoke.It's not like I didnt have decent counters.

Flytrap healing is not as bad as heartichoke healing. One does damage and heals for double the damage it deals. I can deal with that if it isn't buffed up and can still manage somehow even if I do not have the cards to counter in hand. The other loops infinitely until the zombie blocks or until the plant heals to full hp.chickening is NOT a solution as it does not kill heartichoke and flytraps aren't an issue. I was complaining about venusflytraplanet environment, and not the flytrap plant itself.

First, it is hard to remove heartichoke because it is a 3/4, and unless you are playing the brainy class and have exactly two plumbers in hand, you are forced to trade inefficiently with heartichoke. It also doesn't take a genius to see that the zombie player is saving brains so the plant player can simply play minions instead of playing the heartichoke combo. the moment the zombie player uses too many brains, you can safely play flytrap environment/heartichoke

Second, the heartichoke loop can be played as early as turn 5. Play geyser + environment or geyser + heartichoke and the looping begins, and the second round begins in the combat phase. play heartichoke as far right as possible without dying in order to loop during the combat phase. bubble up ensures that heartichoke survives for the next turn(becomes a 3/8), and nut signal protects heartichoke from one attack at least.

Heartichoke loop can  also be played with taco. Same as super, repeated 4 damage heal/damage until the loop stops.

I know what I am talking about. I play control wallknight and solar flare and stall till i get my combo. I've lost count of numerous times I have cheesed someone with the flytrap environment + heartichoke+ geyser/taco combo.

Please read my post carefully before responding. You obviously haven't read it because you decided to give me chickening as a solution when i specifically said that I was playing smash, and nowhere did I say that I was having trouble with the plant flytrap, I was having issues with the flytrap environment.

Glad Wallknight has a deck to be honest. Might need some tuning to make it fair but in general it is good that this exists.

However. I think we can agree that at the moment enviroments have close to no counterplay. Obviously this will change pretty soon via an event card which sucks because mandetory event cards suck but it will happen nevertheless. The sad thing is that except for a very few enviroments are not really a big throw in terms of power so creating counterplay to counter a single strong card in a set of mediocre ones that people still want to play (maybe) is a cheap move. 

Talking about your deck;
I think your answers are good but they kind of lack a good move against that 9 mana OS-Combo-potential venus can offer. I can obviously judge from how I assume your list performs. I personally think that Undying Pharao might outperform Super Nova as a defensive choice. Maybe even defensive end? In your middle curve I think I really dislike going viral. Many people here are all over that card but I think its genuinely weak. or at least a one-off card at best. Buuuut thats just my opinion I guess

Are you stupid? please reread and reread my post again. It is easy to pull off. unless you are rolling triple threes, you are taking at least 8 damage from geyser/taco heal loop. if you're unlucky, you take even more. The net swing in hp is huge since 8 damage taken = 16 hp swing, which can be pulled off as early as turn 5. And that's not including the loop that occurs again during the combat phase. If you're unlucky and take three hits, that's a net swing of 18 hp during the combat phase and a net swing of 24 hp for the geyser/taco loop.

btw Galacta-Cactus is super broken on venus flytrapplanet. If it does damage, Galacta-cactus heals  the plant hero for 2 and does 2 bullseye damage to the zombie hero, and does another 1 bullseye damage for every zombie attacked.

Heartichoke DOESN't need fly trap environment to be useful. you can just SPAM wall-nuts,water chestnut, or any other high health nut. And when you play heartichoke + geyser, you heal and damage a really high amount of damage. All this can be done by turn 5!. How broken is that?

Sorry but from the way you speak you clearly have not reached the standard to fully understand the broken nature of heartichoke+ venusflytrap environment. Your opinion does not matter and I do not wish to hear from you until you can comprehend the nature of the problem

If you do not read my post and respond to all my points accordingly, don't even bother to reply to this post. Your words are not needed. Bye.

Yo, sorry! I didn't know you meant the venusflaytraplanet environment. Other than that, yeah the loop is pretty broken. 

I really don't think this combo is that great either. It's really nice when it works out, but there are much easier and more consistent ways to win with Solar heroes.