Disagree I think the citron is slightly stronger than it should be. Should receive a small nerf such as less hp or less damage done by weapon. I feel this way for most of the plant team as well.
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@skeletonman3546 wrote:
Disagree I think the citron is slightly stronger than it should be. Should receive a small nerf such as less hp or less damage done by weapon. I feel this way for most of the plant team as well.It'd be cool if half the characters in the game didn't have a potential one-shot ability as well. Pea Shooter, Cactus, All-Star, Foot Soldier, technically Rose, Chomper, Kernel, kind've Captain Deadbeard and Super Brainz all * have abilities that hit between 100-200 for christ sakes. And that's when you don't account for abilities like the E.M Peach, Goop and Timeslow which don't one-shot you but pretty much set you up to be.
It'd be cool if I could go at least 1 match without dying instantly to something. It's like this is Battlefront or some *.
@The_Masked_Doll wrote:
@skeletonman3546 wrote:
Disagree I think the citron is slightly stronger than it should be. Should receive a small nerf such as less hp or less damage done by weapon. I feel this way for most of the plant team as well.It'd be cool if half the characters in the game didn't have a potential one-shot ability as well. Pea Shooter, Cactus, All-Star, Foot Soldier, technically Rose, Chomper, Kernel, kind've Captain Deadbeard and Super Brainz all * have abilities that hit between 100-200 for christ sakes. And that's when you don't account for abilities like the E.M Peach, Goop and Timeslow which don't one-shot you but pretty much set you up to be.
It'd be cool if I could go at least 1 match without dying instantly to something. It's like this is Battlefront or some *.
This is Garden Warfare !!
I don't know about the others one shot abilities really, but you mentioned Brainz, he can hit for 120, on a perfect direct hit, from a huge ball of energy that move at around 1/4th the speed of anything else in the sky. Most of the time when I fire it, I end up doing between 1-20 dmg. I do get some nice lucky hits for 120 every now and then, but they are few and far between.
Citron annoys me because when he's in ball, if he doesn't want to fight, good luck making him, and if he decides he wants to zip around and * you in ball form, he can do that also, then he can dis-spell any ability I have up and make it to where I can't do anything except autoattack for most of the time what is the length of my toons life, which to me, is as you said, in essence, a one hit kill.
@Rhendyr wrote:I don't know about the others one shot abilities really, but you mentioned Brainz, he can hit for 120, on a perfect direct hit, from a huge ball of energy that move at around 1/4th the speed of anything else in the sky. Most of the time when I fire it, I end up doing between 1-20 dmg. I do get some nice lucky hits for 120 every now and then, but they are few and far between.
I'd rather it explode into a large area effect that hits 30-50 9/10 of the time then it having the potential to one-shot a player 1/10 of the time, because it's that 1/10 of the time that ruins the players day. And yeah, comparatively it's a forgiving ability unlike the Chili Bean or Potato Mine.
One shots in games are basically the game engine saying: "What's that, you were standing here? DEAD. Respawn and git gud scrublord."
Ugh.
The_Masked_Doll, it's probably more like a 1/50 chance of one shotting, if not more. You have to get a perfect hit on someone, and for it to be a 'true' one shot, they have to be at full health, and there's only a couple toons in the game that can be 1 shot for 120 dmg.
You guys do realize that on top of that 25 health shield, he has 200 health, right? Tied for the highest in the game, if you take the Zombies health and average it out, the average is 132 health, so, with his shield, he has 93 more health than your average zombie......
Maybe he is a little weaker with his damage, considering he has much more health than your average zombies, and much greater mobility, I'm not so sure there's an actual problem there....
@Rhendyr wrote:You guys do realize that on top of that 25 health shield, he has 200 health, right? Tied for the highest in the game, if you take the Zombies health and average it out, the average is 132 health, so, with his shield, he has 93 more health than your average zombie......
Maybe he is a little weaker with his damage, considering he has much more health than your average zombies, and much greater mobility, I'm not so sure there's an actual problem there....
But with him being such a big target, that 200 hp is quickly melted away and you usually live with like 50 hp to spare. Once that shield is gone, considering how chaotic things usually are, you die or escape with little health to spare. He needs to be buffed so he can actually fill his tank role like they are trying to balance rose to be a support like they meant her to be instead of a primary damage dealer with high CC ability.
Pughugger45, as opposed to the person who died, I would say those 50 hps look pretty damn nice to the person you just killed..... There's one zombie that starts out with 50 hps....
Do you see the problem here with your logic? You don't like that you usually only survive with 50 hps.... you, SURVIVED, meaning, you just won the fight, your statement would imply that you live more often than you die....
I'll tell you the Citrons I steam roll, and the ones who roll me. The Citron who runs around alone, thinking they are one man wrecking crews, I love them. The ones who run way ahead of their friends, making themselves easy targets, love them.
The Citron that stays next to his friends, I hate them. They have incredibly high hps/survival compared to every other plants, so I either try to kill their friends, just to get nuked down by the Citron, who then revives his friends that I killed, or, I engage him, who has enough hps to outlast my Brainz, he EM's my spin, and I then die, quickly.
The other Citron I hate is the one who zips around in ball form into my team, he ball spins around, burning up cooldown after cooldown to then have his team engage right afterwards, at which he picks a target, spins into them, flattens them, then engages while his team is also engaging.
There are great Citrons, and horrible Citrons, if someone thinks he's weak, they are most likely one of the bad Citrons. While, it's true, he's no Rose, it takes skill to play him and to do well with, those who are good with him, are a pain in the ever loving rear of Zombies everywhere. But, he's not weak, by any stretch of the imagination.
- To be honest I think that citron is not to badly nerfed. He does suck depending on which one you choose in my opinion. While everyone is talking about how op rose is how about the electro brains? His beam and everything about him is op. He can chain lightning and kill people almost instantly. When multiple people use him your dead almost immediately.
@Rhendyr wrote:Pughugger45, as opposed to the person who died, I would say those 50 hps look pretty damn nice to the person you just killed..... There's one zombie that starts out with 50 hps....
Do you see the problem here with your logic? You don't like that you usually only survive with 50 hps.... you, SURVIVED, meaning, you just won the fight, your statement would imply that you live more often than you die....
I'll tell you the Citrons I steam roll, and the ones who roll me. The Citron who runs around alone, thinking they are one man wrecking crews, I love them. The ones who run way ahead of their friends, making themselves easy targets, love them.
The Citron that stays next to his friends, I hate them. They have incredibly high hps/survival compared to every other plants, so I either try to kill their friends, just to get nuked down by the Citron, who then revives his friends that I killed, or, I engage him, who has enough hps to outlast my Brainz, he EM's my spin, and I then die, quickly.
The other Citron I hate is the one who zips around in ball form into my team, he ball spins around, burning up cooldown after cooldown to then have his team engage right afterwards, at which he picks a target, spins into them, flattens them, then engages while his team is also engaging.
There are great Citrons, and horrible Citrons, if someone thinks he's weak, they are most likely one of the bad Citrons. While, it's true, he's no Rose, it takes skill to play him and to do well with, those who are good with him, are a pain in the ever loving rear of Zombies everywhere. But, he's not weak, by any stretch of the imagination.
What I say about surviving with that 50 hp, I am talking about when I have to book it out of there because zombies are all targeting me. But I have to give you props. You gave the best advice about playing the class that I love. While I still don't like his shield having so low health and hope that they include that in the balancing that they will release soon, I'll try playing him more as a distraction class than the tank I learned to play in the beta. Thank you.
