Re: Roses and other characters balance:

yes roses are very weak now. I was lucky to max out my roses before they patched to nerf them bad. Many agree that the roses should return to what they were in beta because now they are over nerfed. As for the zombies being over powered, electro brainz, captain sharkbite, all scientist, all imps and some engineers need real big nerfs. 

@FelipeGames2000

I'm happy we agree on rose, also from a lot of games I have played as her on offense she just gets her tele camped 99% of the time, mostly on Moon. I think that she could have the advantage over engie by having more powerful turrets to guard her tele. That way she can have almost as good of a chance as engie in guarding her tele. 

P.S. I managed to actually get a party mode for party rose in an actual multiplayer match for once =D to bad I died 2 seconds later.

@ShavedThronel0 You maxed out all the roses? OMG! Good job! 🙂

About nerfing Electro-Brainz, some Scientists and Eletrician is ok to me, but the Imps don't need a nerf. Their Anti-Gravity bomb and their Z-Mech might be a little strong, but outside the Z-Mech, they have low health and their ability to spin and shoot like crazy are a little weak, just to make things a little balanced. Sometimes I even think they still need a small buff... but then they would take the world with no problem, sooo... I think they are good enough right now. But let's see how Popcap will react about these characters.

@cmh05171 You're right! Engineer's turrets are op against Rose's guardians. Maybe if they add the lvl 1 and 2 turrets from the first game and make some upgrades to the Rose's guardians. And also, I have the same problem on the moon.

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@FelipeGames2000 wrote:

@ShavedThronel0 You maxed out all the roses? OMG! Good job! 🙂

About nerfing Electro-Brainz, some Scientists and Eletrician is ok to me, but the Imps don't need a nerf. Their Anti-Gravity bomb and their Z-Mech might be a little strong, but outside the Z-Mech, they have low health and their ability to spin and shoot like crazy are a little weak, just to make things a little balanced. Sometimes I even think they still need a small buff... but then they would take the world with no problem, sooo... I think they are good enough right now. But let's see how Popcap will react about these characters.

@cmh05171 You're right! Engineer's turrets are op against Rose's guardians. Maybe if they add the lvl 1 and 2 turrets from the first game and make some upgrades to the Rose's guardians. And also, I have the same problem on the moon.

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Really how are imps not opt to you? Their stupid 75 lives and them being so small. Their very large gravity grenade, Their impkata with 100% accuracy with no aiming required and damage resistance. Also their mech has damage resistance. If you get 2 or more imps get ready to be vanquished. 

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@Shogunbear wrote:
And yeah I haven't unlocked upgrades on her yet but camouflage cactus is clunky as all he'll for a sniper. The old zen upgraded was borderline op but I think still outclassed by sharkbite and zenith got the nerf while captains got buffed lol wth.

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I utterly murder with sharkbite; it isn't even funny. It's rather sad how easy it is for me to get kills.

At the moment I'm sticking to the future cactus. At least with her I can choose when to charge my big shot that does 100 damage if I land a headshot and I've one shot scientists with that. The Camo cactus? Naw she'll need 2 head shots for him, 3 for foot soldier and so on. At least the future has some chance (small at that) when it comes to surviving mid to close range. The camo, naw uh, no way. They can literally circle out of your zoomed in screen of view and get behind you before you can turn around. How is that balanced?

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@FelipeGames2000 wrote:

@Boolerex Well... I guess you're right. But I still want the Ice Rose buff.

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Oh forgot to mention frost rose, yeah she clearly need a bigger buff, bring back her insta-freeze altrough only at direct hit, should help her a bunch already.

The only problem I have with camo cactus right now is that it slow down your aiming speed wayyy too much. Which make it borderline unplayable for me,hope they eventually fix that. There also the fact that he kinda suffer until he get some upgrade (mainly his damage upgrade)

It's simple. turn back Rose to the beta form. She wasn't Op there, and people cryed for a buff, why nerf to a point she is less stronger than the beta?

Than i can fidn 50 friends, open a topic on reddit  or here, take a lots of upvote for buffing foot soldier, everyone will say
"OMG YOU'RE RIGHT, WOW SO MUCH UPVOTE, LET'S BUFF FOOTSOLDIER"

and then
"OMG SCUBA SOLDIER OP, CAMO OP, PARK RANGER OP NEEEEEEERRRF"
And nerf everyone to a point they will be less useful than now.


This is stupid, they buffed a character because people QQ, and nerfed again cause peoploe QQ. Devs shouldn't just listen too much at people, and i hope jesus they will not kill my Lil Drake, i know he deserve  a nerf, but not THAT nerf as people are saying.
Same for S.Brain.

@ShavedThronel0 Well... They have small health compared to other characters and the Impkata only hit 3 or 4 plants. And he's also the only zombie class that can't escape the Chomper (I mean, he have a hovering double jump, but it's still hard to escape).

@Redlove108 I know. I Camo-Cactus need some buffs, like more ammo and faster reload. She could also have a spiky-shotgun, but she is already on the 1st game, so Popcap would need to change her in GW1 too (maybe). And also, how could a Cactus shoot spikes like a shotgun? Camo-Cactus should really have a buff to be balanced with Captain-Sharkbite.

@Shogunbear I still think they are ok right now. But let's see how Popcap will react to him.

@Redlove108 Well... Future Cactus is really OP, but he/she don't need a nerf

@Boolerex Frost Rose might need some better buffs 2 (I know, Insta-Freeze = already OP, but that wouldn't change to much 2 me). And Fire-Rose might need a buff too.

@xXFrozenChromeXx I know. I don't want to see more good things nerfed again. Foot Soldier is ok how he is right now.

what nesesita be balanced in GW2 is all new kinds of zombies all nesesitan decrease of damage and ammunition to be a balance and plants nothing op maybe the BBQ corn but do not think so because this does not have improved damage and plants need a buff since haora have to attack and some variants of plant the plant nesesita a buff to as left back with new zombies especially was before the patch is rose as it is a missing class game even that put something as important as teleporting or so this buff variant pls regrésenla to what it was before the patch addresses the only change needed was a reduction cc other changes were unnecessary and change of speed reduction of attack and you have to set best to give the shots as they are very slow by the nerf and are very easy to dodge buff pls.

Rose

-Health buff (+10/25) Not sure.

-Regular Rose Damage up +1

-Druid Rose Ammo Slot buff

-Fire Rose should move and jump with less penalty when charging

-Ice Rose should move and jump with no penalty when charging.
Ice Rose freeze faster and the Ice Charged attack should turn back to instafreeze at the cost of further less damage or apply more freeze stacks and freeze the target with a couple of more hits.
Suggestion:
- Ice Rose freeze with 11-10 shots (10-9 with ice upgrade)

- Ice Rose charged attack instafreeze and deals 15-20 damage

- Ice Rose charged attack doesn't instafreeze and deal 35 damage. After the charged attack need 4 shots to freeze (3 with ice upgrade)

Rose Discussion

She is a support. I think we shouldn't give her damage options like better homing or projectile speed, or she will end to do more damage than a Corn. What she need in my opinion 

AT THE MOST, MAYBE SOME EXTRA AMMO FOR HELPING HER DOING SUPPRESS FIRE.

The enigma has a delay of activation, and hp nerf maked her unable to activate it, and the homing and hp nerf and the fact homing doesn't activate on specifics ranges making her stay too much away from fights because she can't trade back most of zombie classes. I think the HP buff seems reasonable with minor changes to those specifics classes.

I think this list is perfect. With the homing still in this poor state she will not be abused by veterans that want to faceroll with this class, but the HP can make her more affordable to new players that want to support their team.
Supports should be easy and accessible for most players!

@CPUlucky ... Sorry, but I don't understand. You are talking english with spanish (or portuguese) right? Cause I don't speak spanish, but if you know how to talk portuguese, I guess I can translate ya for the guys, I guess

@xXFrozenChromeXx I know. Rose is a support character, but Engineer and Scientist are also support characters and they are strong 🤔  I think Rose should have some buffs to be good with these guys. Her Ice variant might not need a damage buff cause a fully charged shoot that insta-freeze enemies is good enough. Fire and Ice Roses should also have no (or less) penalty when charging. The list is good to balance her (or make her strong how she was in beta). Also, 125 is better than 110 hp

@FelipeGames2000They are less orientated as a supports character.
Engineer has only 1 single low durations crowd control. Scientists is more an assassin.

Rose has still 2 powerful CCs. I tryed recently this class.. while i think is not THAT bad as people say, maybe the fact she's too squishy is making new players discouraging to plays it.
25Hp are okay for me if developers are okay for that. I would like to test before making changes, but i can't really so devs should test and see

@xXFrozenChromeXx SHUT UP I KNOW WHATS GOOD FOR HER Ok just kidding, sorry, forgive me and don't hate. XD Anyway, Engineer can stop the plants with the Sonic Grenade, have a splash damage like Peashooter and the Jackhammer can knockback plants. Roses may be good with some abilities like Time Snare to cancel some zombies abilities and Goatify to make zombies weaker, but I still keep dying easily compared to Engineer. And about Scientists, yeah, they are assassins in close range. So, no. Rose is not 2 strong for CC (remember, I am brazilian, so I have no idea what is crowd control).