No to shield buster

@NewYorkYewNork, make sure to include the “strategy” in your list which led to the current situation.

We like the idea of a shield breaker because we are sick of clubs that get ahead from the start and hide - it makes for an incredibly boring game!  Thank goodness they came up with something - maybe a limit on how many can be used would be good - and so sick of hackers - just destroys the game.

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@Superpraesi wrote:

@BlazinsZ 

There are many points in your post #55 that sound very illogical to me. Don't think this complicated.
If no player is able to carry war simoleons and war items from one club to another club, the farming of war simoleons and war items in other clubs than their main club is stopped immediately, that's it. It will work for war items as well as for war simoleons because farming this stuff is stoppable. Not stoppable are the farming of disaster card levels because it wouldn't be fair to take the card levels away only because a player is changing the club.

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I have my doubts what you call 'farming' , I don't really do ''farming'' i think, so I have no idea how it works. In my club we have a second club, where we go from time to time (especially during events in wars) and we enjoy the easy chests there, but, is hard to get items there, because you can't being attacked due the inactivity of enemies, so i can't call that ''farming'', if you mean ''farming'' just doing hop between clubs just entering and buying stuff for randoms market, well, that will certainly end with your suggestion, If not, what do you mean by `` farming ''?

I'm going to do your method of quote lol. 

You wrote:

What do you want to say?
The farming of any resources take place wherever the action take place but also where it is easy to reach the farming goals. What do you want with many war parts in A1?

I disagree, 1 strong and 9 feeder is a bad strategy to farm war items. It is mainly used to farm war simoleons with a very positive side effect of making many points for chests.
The only active player in the team has to spend more war items to get the lead than he gained from the repairs. He uses only boosts from his feeder cities to save his own boosts.

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Again, I want to know, what do you mean by farming? I said that A1, A2, A3, are dead because when i go there, i only spent my items, when i have a lot, I just lose them there. For me, a simple way to get items is being attacked, I think it's the easiest way, so, when you have a club with 9 feeders and only one account that is yours, you get a great benefit in which your city is the only one you can get out of the shield and receive new parts being attacked, Anyway, I think that most of those who have 9 accounts and a single level 15 are cheaters, simply because I have seen again and again how the other 9 accounts do not even repair 1 single building in the whole war, in fact they do not even they care about the items. I know that your suggestion can solve some issues, but not the 9 feeders, 1 account (with no shield buster), obviously there is a big advanture for these guys, they have 10 cities green for only one city, and your city is the only one to be hit, It is still a good way to get good resources, especially if getting resources in other clubs is no longer allowed. Really doesn't convince me

You wrote:

Using 1 strong and 9 feeder as a main club to climb up the ranking is no longer functioning as soon as the other clubs with same ranking has also high level disasters.

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Lol,  how it worked before, and this disaster was the same, of course if you fight against an enemy with major disasters, that basic and overwhelming strategy about 9/1  will not work, but that never intimidated or bothered them so they will stop using it! many times we defeated players like these, they simply stayed in the bubble with a lousy score to wait for the next war, and they kept appearing, again and again, and the truth, most of the time we beat them, but it is BORED, for team of 10 real persons. I really don't know what they are interested in, whether it's the ranking, or going up levels, or they just like that form of play, I don't know, but there were many, and we had to watch that single player for 2 days and be in that annoyance, their strategy helps them to climb very high, but certainly against a very active team and with good disasters, they have to lose, but they do not abandon that boring way of playing. 

You wrote:

Open Wars has been played by people who don't want to play a strategic game or by people who abuse these Open Wars to mainly farm points to level up their disasters. I do not think, that a strategic thinking club, has played Open Wars with their main club and risked the hard earned ranking points.

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I disagree completely. this does not necessarily end the strategy, open wars is just a simply way to avoid the ridiculous form of rewarding system of the game, since the game is kinda contradictory (I am so friendly that I say kinda), you need points to reach chests but better use duds to reduce them, you have to stay bubble and repair carefully but you need to attack for COM tasks, and others. But, when both enemies already know the result, perhaps because of a big difference and there is nothing to do,  nobody loses an arm, or leg, or the `` magnificent ego '' for agreeing to uncover some cities so that the enemy finishes reaching his next chest or vice versa (Because as I said, finish with 15990 and not receive your next chest ... good ... I guess it's honorable to leave it like this, I don't seem to know anything about honor, lol.). it really seems stupid to me that the war ends in the first 4 hours, and then everyone gets stuck in the shield, waiting 2 days for everything to end, it's for my boring, but hey, everyone has their way of playing, actually, although it seems silly to me. 

I guess I haven't had the opportunity to play with `` strategic thinking club '' yet, even though I've been in the game for 2 years, since once we have lost or won, using the Bio we can decide to end in an open war, and the vast majority of times we both agree, except certainly those with whom we do not achieve communication because in reality the communication between clubs is very bad. Of course, the winner is the winner, and the enemy must open his cities first. If you are the winner and you lose it in an open war by mistake, oh well, how awkward must be that lol. Who is difficult to deal with is those who speak different languages. But today most of the enemies I encounter have a discord to talk.

You wrote:

You misunderstood something. I have never suggested extra place for items in the club. No extra place at all. The only difference would be, all the war related stuff, that is still be stored in your own city, would disappear as soon as you leave the club.

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I never said I understood your suggestion as extra places, but you did say that when you returned to the club, you retrieved your items, so actually your items depends of the club, no your storage, idk how you think that can work, you can run a club for wars and another for COM. Also with that, you can like have 120 plungers in one club with that storage of 500 capacity for example, in a another club you  can get your storage full (normal items), when you return, you have now 620 because you recover your items. I don't know how you would handle that.

To be honest, I don't like the suggestion very much, and I can imagine many protests when the change is made. Surely you already have a home, but for players who are changing clubs, it will be an unpleasant nightmare. Suppose you have a good inventory of 20 umbrellas, 30 duds, 12 pumps III and more that you have gained with much effort during months, Suddenly you have an argument in that group, the president changes his mind, and you have to leave, or he removes you from the club. You have lost absolutely everything, and in a way, quite unfair.

Maybe you spend weeks looking for a new club, and you don't like any, you have to leave again and again, and always, start over with 0 war cash and 0 items. Maybe you spent 6 months in a club and someone leaves and stayed in 9 players and they don't find more players ( is really hard to find active players with high levels bth), some get annoyed and leave, they stay in 5 players, you have to decide to go out and lose everything and find a new club or stay hoping that club can survive and bright again. It is something heavy that the truth is that I don't think it works.

The game is really infected with  cheaters , I doubt very much that  ''farmers'' players can achieve these scores (Even so, everyone is free to believe what they really wanted), unless they are monsters or robots or I don't know. But of course, there is always someone who wants to justify this just with maybe you don't do enough deliveries??? they exclaim lol ... Or  waot have I been playing the wrong way? It turns out that there was another way to get items instead of deliveries and I didn't know? oh god please explain me...  hahaha, the truth is that it is impressive how EA does not realize this, since these players like these clubs are still playing freely.

16 172 740 Points... wow... the farmers are impressive players tbh. They really deserve that victory hahahaha . 

Notices how only 4 attacks and the rest stay with 0, really those who destroy this game are the players with their ways of ''playing'', what they call fun for them damages the whole game of many more.

@509153303  You make a very valid point and I don’t begin to understand or quite honestly even try...it’s just like someone that shows up to compete in a war and their total mission is to grab a lead and hide and then promote themselves as brilliant strategists. As my friend Modern Thinker summed up very well it is your responsibility to keep them out of the bubble which obviously takes a little strategy and focus...never lost to a turtle team while participating in a war game but never walked away without a headache and constant frustration being shared by very good folks that just came to compete. I do understand why the top clubs are forced to resort to this tactic but I don’t understand the commitment of time and economics that some invest to reach the pinnacle...I understand it’s there day in the sun, but I just can’t quite grasp it. So for the individual that said you think you know everything here are some examples to prove your hypothesis incorrect...

@BlazinsZ  BlazinZ my friend, don’t let the poster boy for the “strategy” concern you (although I believe he’s getting a challenge for that honor?)...the suggestion concerning not allowing a mayor to carry war items or any other item from one club to another is ludicrous...the legal ramifications of such an action would be catastrophic...EA is a lot of things but stupid is certainly not one of them. This proposed  action would penalize honest players that earned their items and for whatever reason decided to give another club a chance (having assisted a few folks find a new club I’ve heard a lot of those reasons). I offered a proposal for a seven day moratorium on changing clubs after joining a new one in the thread “Time to shift the paradigm”  along with a couple of unique opportunities...but the “strategy” boys aren’t interested in solving the issues they created, just want to get rid of the shield busters so they can get back to hiding - appears to me the sun is beginning to set on this tactic and it’s time to use a little creative thinking which shouldn’t be a problem for “intelligent adults” - seems to me a good place to start is to learn that the true “fun” in any contest is the competition and not the results.

@BlazinsZ 

I try to explain my definition of farming clubs again.

The Top teams (I'm only talking about non hacker teams) are playing with a directive similar to this:
"We only start a war when all members have at least 20 JPs, 20 umbrellas, 20 duds ... 20 energy pumps and enough war items for 80 Magnetism attacks and 20 Movie Monster attacks. If a mayor doesn't fulfill these requirements he has to collect these stuff in our farming clubs first."

The outcome is, all the members of the Top teams are playing many "meaningless" wars in farming clubs before they can play only one real war with their main club.

Now, they are searching for the best farming strategies to reach the requirements in shortest time. Having a farming club with 9 feeder cities is only one of these strategies. Open Wars with their farming club (they never using their main club for Open Wars) in best case against a friendly club is another. And there are many other strategies, some with better farming results but a lot of effort, others with less effort but worse results.

@Superpraesi  Are you speaking from experience or conjecture? It’s sort of like when someone says all the top teams are cheaters or hackers which is not true...which to your credit you recognize. Most of the top 100 clubs that I have insight with are simply strong teams playing the game collectively and very much share my perspective of the strategy but are smart enough to shut it down because there’s nothing more to gain. It is true some players leave the club for a short period of time primarily to trade but return quickly to be in position for the next war...there is not a lot of down time between wars which sort of makes farming very difficult if not impossible. While it is true some of these clubs have affiliate clubs (not feeders) to have folks readily available if someone on their club is not available. These clubs do spend significant money (at least from my perspective) and EA should at a minimum attack the hacking issue full force to protect this revenue...

To change gears back to the shield busters - there were and still are many clubs that only participate in war once a week, busy people with busy lives but that doesn’t mean they don’t enjoy the war game just as much as anyone else...and because of this silly glitch in the programming which clubs like yours exploit they deny others the opportunity to participate which is extremely selfish and self centered (probably not a life lesson one would want teach a child). As I have assisted a few mayors escape from overbearing war clubs over the last couple of years and helped connect them with safe and supportive environments it is truly sad to see some of these folks that were finally enjoying the club experience to simply throw their hands up and walk away due to the boredom caused by the strategy. No, the shield buster is not the solution...but the stress and anguish it has created for the bubble boys is simply what goes around comes around.

No offense to the poor players who like the shield buster, but a club couldn't hide in bubbles with the lead unless your own club put them there with poor uncoordinated attacks. Did I like when my club ran into a bubble hider? Not really, but it was almost always our own fault that we allowed ourselves to get into that position. It always bothered me when our players complained about the bubble hiding, when it was really their own fault. I have renamed the shield buster the hack attack, since it seems to benefit them much more than it does honest players. Playing a hacker club with only 3 regular attacks for each of their cities (i.e., mellow bellow 15, mag 15 and comic hand 15) and a few with shield busters, which apparently he didn't know how to hack yet, is not my idea of enjoyment. He only scored 1.5 million points. A friend of mine is currently in a war against a similar hacker club with 12 hours left in the war and the score is 4.5 milliion to 400,000.