Mandalorian discussion[SPOILERS]
This will be a discussion thread for The Mandalorian. Just for thoughts and predictions on the show, and stuff. If you want to talk about how cute Baby Yoda is, go ahead, if you want to talk about ho...
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The thing I was most excited about was the fact that no one can call Grogu “Baby Yoda” anymore.
Also I liked the mention of Thrawn
@UNL1M1T3D_P0W3R @SuperSpyUU Yeah they did an awesome job with Ahsoka. She had her white lightsabers in Rebels already, which took place before Rogue One. You'd have to read the Ahsoka novel to find out how:
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She defeated an Inquisitor. Then she took the red lightsaber crystal and cleansed or healed it. The result was a white lightsaber crystal. I think it was two of them to make the double blades of the Inquisitor.
Thrawn was a great name drop too. That got me thinking of the timeline, so I rewatched the Rebels finale:
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In the Rebels finale, Ezra jumps off into hyperspace with Thrawn. This happened prior to A New Hope. The episode ends with a scene from after the Battle of Endor. Ahsoka arrives on Lothal to pick up Sabine Wren. They are going to find Ezra.
So either Mandalorian happens after they failed to find Ezra, or it happens before they leave. Either way this is Ahsoka likely trying to find where to look for Ezra.
So either Mandalorian happens after they failed to find Ezra, or it happens before they leave. Either way this is Ahsoka likely trying to find where to look for Ezra.
It's been said that Lucasfilm was going to use Mandalorian as a way to kick start their plans going forward. I think we are seeing this with Season 2 giving us a live action Bo Katan and Ashoka. There's always been a rumored sequel to Rebels that I think this episode ties into. Maybe they spin off something with Bo Katan to continue the Mandalore arc.
Another thought...what if the Jedi who reaches out to Grogu is none other that Luke Skywalker? Could happen!! They did a younger version for the force projection scene in Last Jedi and flashback scenes. I'm sure they could pull it off with Mark Hamill for Mandalorian.
- @ArchAngeL-PCX Ah okay, thanks for the info. I've never watched Rebels and don't intend to, but I get the gist of what's going on now with those characters. Just hope Ahsoka appears in m0@r episodes.
@UNL1M1T3D_P0W3RRebels is worth the watch. Or at least some key episodes, especially the season 2 finale. Did you watch Clone Wars?
Assuming you did, here's some key Rebels episodes that are most relevant to the Mandalorian/Maul/Ahsoka threads including the Darksaber:
- Season 2 eps 1, 2, 3, 4, 18, season 2 finale eps 21 and 22
- Season 3 eps 11, 15, 16, 20
- Season 4 eps 1, 2, 13, and season 4 finale eps 14-15EDIT: Added 13 to season 4...crucial for Ahsoka after watching the season 2 finale.
@ArchAngeL-PCX wrote:[...] Another thought...what if the Jedi who reaches out to Grogu is none other that Luke Skywalker? Could happen!! They did a younger version for the force projection scene in Last Jedi and flashback scenes. I'm sure they could pull it off with Mark Hamill for Mandalorian.
SpoilerWhat if we get introduced to another new Sith!? I'm far more excited for the possibilities of that. Groz already exhibited a lot of alluring traits to entice dark lurkers.
But Luke makes the most sense... Assuming his temple hasn't been destroyed yet. That's where we'd see a young Kylo and his soon to be Knight buddies. The time line in Star Wars has always been kind of confusing, but it seems as though the First Order is only just starting. Was Kylo with Snoke so early...? If so then Luke's temple would have been destroyed, Luke would be discouraged and possibly on his way to live as a hermit...
Hm, what if Ezra answers the call?
And then takes Grogu in, to become the Actual Yoda. He could teach Grogu he has to mask his identity, not only from others, but himself as well. Such were the possible lengths Ezra hypothetically had to go to through when he implanted himself into another timeline as Kanan. (Since there's possibly this rule revolving around time travel where you're not supposed to let your-past-self see your-future-self. . . WHICH SUDDENLY MAKES MANDALORIAN ARMORS PURPOSE SO OBVIOUS! Ah! That's another function! Oh no...) Then Yoda would have to help Ezra, who was being helped by Kanan... . . . Nah, they'll probably never go down this path. It'd be too confusing for people, and Jar Jar already showed what happens to materials that are to confusing for people... *Sigh*@Dvveebo Mandalorian happens way too early for there to be any ties to the sequel trilogy era or First Order. Mandalorian happens only 5 years after ROTJ. First Order rises to power much later as depicted in the novel Bloodlines. I'm not even sure Ben Solo has been born by the Mandlorian timeline. Interesting theories though.
SpoilerEzra might be the one to answer. Maybe he gives a clue to his and Thrawn's location. My guess is the Chiss Ascendancy. Then Mandalorian relays that to Ahsoka. I'm not sure at this point Ahsoka knows where Thrawn or Ezra are, so this happens before she and Sabine leave to find him.You can tell the vibranium spear will be used to fight against the darksaber, let's just hope the Disney devs don't make Gideon too OP #gg #wp
@ArchAngeL-PCX wrote:@Dvveebo Mandalorian happens way too early for there to be any ties to the sequel trilogy era or First Order. Mandalorian happens only 5 years after ROTJ. First Order rises to power much later as depicted in the novel Bloodlines. I'm not even sure Ben Solo has been born by the Mandlorian timeline. Interesting theories though.
SpoilerEzra might be the one to answer. Maybe he gives a clue to his and Thrawn's location. My guess is the Chiss Ascendancy. Then Mandalorian relays that to Ahsoka. I'm not sure at this point Ahsoka knows where Thrawn or Ezra are, so this happens before she and Sabine leave to find him.Ah, same. So I went poking around to try and get a better understanding about the timeline.
Spoiler"5 ABY - Han Solo helps Chewbacca to liberate Kashyyyk from Imperial rule. The New Republic secures a final victory over the remains of the Empire at the Battle of Jakku. Mon Mothma signs the Galactic Concordance and the Empire is dissolved. A faction of top Imperials, led by Grand Admiral Rae Sloane and General Hux’s dad Brendol, travel through the Unknown Regions to start the First Order. Ben Solo is born. (Star Wars: Aftermath novel trilogy)"
"9 ABY - A lone gunfighter – The Mandalorian – makes his way through the outer reaches of the galaxy where stumbles upon a young-ish green creature, known outside of the galaxy far, far away as "Baby Yoda". The warrior goes on the run, hoping to keep the creature away from harm, and ends up adopting the young creature as his own. (The Mandalorian)"
"21 ABY - The First Order starts using crime syndicates to fund its increasing military activities. (Star Wars: Bloodline novel)"
^ Source; ( at https://www.gamesradar.com/star-wars-timeline/)
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***The Mandalorian show
"According to series creator and writer Jon Favreau, the show takes place five years after Return of the Jedi. That’s enough time for the powerful grip of the Empire to have faded, but a quarter-century before The Force Awakens, so the First Order isn’t all that powerful yet. The Star Wars universe labels its years with BBY and ABY — short for “Before the Battle of Yavin” and “After the Battle of Yavin,” the fancy way to refer to the action of A New Hope. So, Return of the Jedi takes place in 4 ABY, which means that The Mandalorian takes place in the Year of Our Lucas 9 ABY and The Force Awakens begins in 34 ABY."
^ Source; ( Brian Tallerico https://www.vulture.com/2019/11/the-mandalorian-timeline.html)
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***Kylo/Ben Solo
"He was born at the end of the Galactic Civil War in 5 ABY, when the Galactic Empire surrendered to the New Republic."
^Source; ( https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ben_Solo ) ((Although this article has several warnings on it which suggests it's information may not be completely accurate.))I am so glad that Disney updated Empire Strikes Back
Just to fit in with there direction and story
@Dvveebo Good work on the timeline. So yeah the First Order had it's beginnings fairly early after the Empire was defeated, but wasn't all that powerful until around 20 years later. We may get a cameo of Ben Solo as an infant similar to how Kanan Jarrus was shown in Clone Wars Season 7 standing next to his master during a council meeting.
I don't think Ezra can time travel on his own. From the Rebels season 4 episode "World Between Worlds":
SpoilerEzra found a gateway with the help of the Loth Wolves. He was able to enter the world between worlds via that gateway. In there, he had access to a variety of gates showing different points in time. That's how he pulled Ahsoka away from Vader at the last second. He almost did the same for Kanan Jarrus, but of course that would have meant the rest of the Rebels die instead including Ezra.
It looked like Palpatine was able to get to them in much the same way he was able to get to Yoda in the Season 6 episodes of Clone Wars. When Yoda was on that quest from Qui Gon, learning from the Wills. Palpatine seemed to be using Sith dark magic to do so.I do agree that Grogu and his potential age seems to cause some problems here. He would most certainly be alive during the sequel trilogy, but where? It again brings up the total inconsistency of the sequel trilogy and how it fits or really doesn't fit with much anything else. If Ezra does find Grogu, then is there a group of Jedi out in the unknown regions with Ezra? Maybe in Chiss space? And what about the Chiss? Did the First Order wipe them out?
I don't feel like the First Order, or maybe specifically the whole sequel trilogy, was ever a concept they truly thought out. Rise of Skywalker seems to reinforce that. I think the less it enters the picture the better lol.
I'm a little late but the one thing I haven't seen anyone mention is that the planet he was sent to, Tython, Is the place where Chelli Aphra beat Darth Vader in (sort of) one on one combat. While I doubt she will appear I desperately hope we will see some references to Rouges End.
I want to see the remains of BT-1 and 0-0-0 because lets face it, a live-action 0-0-0 is the second-best thing that could possibly happen. (the first being live action mister bones obviously.)
Ezra can’t actually time travel. He had access to a temple that had the capabilities to time travel, but since it got destroyed, he has the same time traveling abilities as any other character.
- SpoilerThe thing about Ezra ... is that he possessed the ability to interact with the gateways which allowed him to use time travel.
"There are infinite paths and infinite possibilities but *you* must open the door." - Palpatine to Ezra.
The abilities Ezra can possess are what makes him a time traveler - to me. The Emperor couldn't open the gate but Ezra could.
Palpy needed Ezra to open doors for him - which Ezra denied.
(Also don't you think it was strange that Palpy was calling out to Ezra, similarly to how he does when he asks Vader for help? - Within the gateway. )
The Son (Mortis God) practically tells Ezra (through means of the Force) he has the ability to change fate if he wants to - when Ezra first seals the wolf gate.
The connection Ezra shares to living creatures (*Creatures that use hyperspace) could allow him to learn such abilities himself.
But in using those abilities he might become more than he is, as we know him as. So in a sense, to say ""Ezra isn't a time traveler"" is technically right. As "Ezra" is an Apprentice version of his potential. Ezra has to become a Master - someone he is not. So he has to become someone else. Becoming Kanan makes the most amount of sense considering some of the things Kanan says.
(Regarding Lothal)Kanan: "Before we knew Ezra we were drawn here... [...] We kept coming back. "
Hera: "Are you saying we were meant to come here...? Maybe to meet Ezra?"
Kanan: [...] "Something like that. But there's more to it. I'm just not sure what. "
Around when the wolves start showing up, and Kanan and Ezra interact with them, Ezra asks Kanan; "So all the paths are coming together right?"
Later when the show is ending, Ezra mentions that there were "several paths" in front of him, and the events that we the audience witnessed, transpired because Ezra did so out of obligation.
The symbolism is that the Mortis Bird represents beginnings, and through a means of various paths and events, Kanan eventually displays Jaig eyes on his mask. (Kanan might not be the actual beginning, but he could be the BRIDGE for BRIDGER to avoid certain DOOM.) If Ezra pieced together that he had to become someone else, and learned how to time travel from the wolf (Himself/ The Brothers' Creatures.) he would have had to teach himself through Kanan. And to teach Kanan through the Wolf. (Lots of; wolf in sheep's clothing.) Essentially self teaching himself in the absence of a father. (Which he could have had but chose to find his own family - his own way - his own path.)
There seems to be lots of Individualism versus collectivism themes in Star Wars.
@Commander_Ney0 wrote:Ezra can’t actually time travel. He had access to a temple that had the capabilities to time travel, but since it got destroyed, he has the same time traveling abilities as any other character.
What I took from the original Clone Wars animation was that Anakin thought he needed his hand to use the Force. (Though it's an older not-so-cannon-material.) This version of Anakin learned that the Force within him and his success didn't rely on his entire physical form. His mechanical hand wasn't a physical restriction to his *abilities*.
Ezra is shown by creatures that you can *travel* without a gate. (Both Purgills and Wolves do this.) The first time the wolves show this to Ezra they are underground, two Imperial bombers above them drop explosives on the surrounding mountains. The wolves indicate to the group of human/oids form a chain and to follow them. Then a wolfs paw can be seen being placed upon an invisible and water-like surface surrounded by darkness and stars.(Much like the area where Ezra finds all those view portals into time) Ezras eyes reflect the lights and patterns suggesting hyperspace travel. But this type of travel was preformed underground, with no perceivable exits, and no use of space flight. The travel was used locally to transport them to another area of the planets surface. ((You could claim that this is specific to Lothal, but it leaves out the fact that Purgills - a space wandering whale-like creature also make use of the same function - off world.))
So while Ezra did use a door to first become introduced to the concept himself, he may not strictly require an outside tool to use in the future - since other animals learned how to travel in a unique way, he could apply what they're teaching him, in a way that involves time, if he comes to learn that his power to open those pathways comes from within.
[...] "he has the same time traveling abilities as any other character. " And if all those other characters aren't aware of their ability to use time travel - how will they ever know to try it? Ezra has exposure to a concept; so he can hone it.I saw a article that said they were removing jeans guy. didn't read it just saw the headline. dont know if its true or not ☹️
I dont know if this has been mentioned yet but I wonder if thrawn is going to be the "volunteer" they were talking about, trying to gain the force to get revenge on ezra. It would make sense considering how thrawn:alliances continuously mentions his curiosity of the force and how he sees it as a great advantage in combat.- @SwellingFoil266 That's an interesting theory about Thrawn. Maybe that's why Ahsoka is after him. I watched the Rebels finale again, and it doesn't put a time frame on them hunting for Ezra. We just know it happens after ROTJ. So maybe that has already happened, and Thrawn is still an enemy out there looking for an advantage on Ezra or Jedi in general.
There always was a rumor that a Rebels sequel show was in the works to show what happens to Ezra. Maybe we still get that in animated form. Or maybe we get the rumored Ahsoka show with flashbacks to fill in the gaps. - @Dvveebo Interesting theories. I guess we will see. I took Ezra's statement about "paths" to be that he has seen different futures in the force much like the Emperor, Yoda, Luke, and others have done so. Sort of like how Dr Strange in Avengers Infinity War uses the time stone to view various alternate future timelines. He's not traveling there himself, just getting a glimpse of them. And it doesn't seem the force ever fills in all the gaps as in with Luke's vision of Leia and Han suffering in Empire Strikes Back.
I'm going to try and watch the last episodes in a row
But I doubt that will happen
I rewatched last week's episode. Did anyone else notice how much of Ahsoka's choreography was just like her action sequences in Clone Wars and Rebels? It hit me when she leaped over the outer wall with one arm on the wall and a leg kicked back. It was just like how she often did that in Clone Wars. There were a few other scenes too. When she lights up her lightsabers behind the trooper was a lot like how she did in Rebels when facing the two Inquisitors. The sound of her lightsabers are exactly like in Rebels too. I thought these were nice touches.
Kind of hard to miss. So much about the live action version of Ahsoka is reminiscent of her Clone Wars version.
(To the point it doesn't sit well with me.)
Regardless, I can't wait for tomorrow's episode. It can't arrive fast enough.(December is the worst month & I desperately need all the distractions I can get.)Tonight's episode is supposed to be the shortest
I'm going to wait and watch it with next week's episode
Well, I guess we can now confirm that Jango Fett was Mandalorian. The Mandalorian Government was probablly just trying to seperate themselves from him because he was either a bounty hunter or because he is possibly a child of the way(im not sure if thats what it was implying when it said he was foundling). And so they lied to Obi-Wan.
We also now know that he does in fact have Jango's armour. Though either he got a new helmet or there is just a continuity error.The episode was really good, but from a story point of veiw not much actually progressed. Because of this i'm willing to bet that the next episode will be him forming a crew. The last one will be them attacking the empire, and both thrawn and the jedi will just be breifly shown at the end and won't do anything untill next season.
@SwellingFoil266Yeah it seems Jango was a foundling. If what Bo Katan says is true, then Jango would not have had any real dealings with Mandalore. He would basically be a "child of the Watch" just like Din Djarin. So in that regard, Mandalore might not officially recognize him during the Clone Wars.
Also, lets not forget it was Almec who told Obi-Wan that about Jango. Not exactly the most reliable of sources lol.- @SwellingFoil266 The episode was outstanding. I disagree that things didn't progress.
- We got an immediate resolution to the Boba Fett thread, as well as Fennec Shand from Season 1.
- They get right to Tython and Grogu contacts whoever is out there.
- Dark Troopers spring into action
- Empire gets it's hands on Grogu with two episodes left rather than the final episode as a cliff hanger for season 3.
I do think he's getting a crew together here, but seriously...how cool is this?!?! Mando...Boba Fett...Fennec Shand...Cara Dune...Mayfield...maybe Ahsoka? I'm geeking out right now lol
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