Terrible internet routing

@Drakodemus 

I dont see an issue ? to assist explaining what your seeing read this help link

The only hop that matters is the final destination. If you're happy with the latency and packet loss being seen at the final destination, then none of the other hops matter.

If you look at the png from pingplotter it shows 80-95% packet loss on 8 * * 67 ms ae2.cs3.ord2.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.29.27] Overloaded/Dying router

which in game translates to a bunch of jumpy things happening mobs dying from comps killing them but me still fighting them. abilities half working after I press them 20 times. and overall wonky * game play.

you will also see 9 68 ms * 72 ms ae3.cs1.lga5.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.29.208] Overloaded/Dying router is 50-90% packet loss also which just makes it a cascading problem.

and here is new png for ya.

@Drakodemus 

I do not see an issue in any of the plots you provided , a cascading issue reflects on all hops moving forward, there isnt any

Have a read of the help guide i provided, one thing to note with ICMP packets , packets at a router are handled different to packets through a router.

you may be having issues in game but if this was done while playing , it isnt the cause.

edit - this help link may explain it a bit better

there is a known issue at present listed as below in the known issues sticky 

• Quickbar abilities are not correctly highlighted

may explain of some things you are seeing and is discussed recently in this link

@Drakodemus 

Does the discussion at this link seem what you are experiencing ?

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@proxos666 wrote:

@Drakodemus 

Does the discussion at this link seem what you are experiencing ?

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No I am talking about NPCs and players jumping around on screen. I can loot mobs before they are even dead on my screen because the comp kills them while I am still fighting them and if I click on them I get loot while still fighting them and then they suddenly just show up dead.

99.9999999999999% sure its because of the craptastic routers dropping packets.

three months (August) ago I was getting 20-40 ms latency.

Now (well since I came back in October) I get 73 ms latency with random spikes to 300 or 500 ms latency and then get the lovely 8000 to infinity latency and disconnects.

@Drakodemus 

See if the trial version of www.wtfast.com has any affect on this or shows anything it has a graph which monitors any changes.

but based on the ping-plots you have posted with the path you are using, it is actually stable and shows nil issues. 

the hops you mentioned earlier are not an issue.

i'm not saying you do not have an issue, just the pingplots/tracert do not have any evidence as being the cause.

remove and re- add exceptions for launcher.exe to both the firewall and antivirus too for good measure, they can fail after a patch.

have you also done a game repair per this link in case something funky is occurring with the game files ?

maybe a dxdiag per this guide link is worthwhile too at present 

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@proxos666 wrote:

@Drakodemus 

See if the trial version of www.wtfast.com has any affect on this or shows anything it has a graph which monitors any changes.

but based on the ping-plots you have posted with the path you are using, it is actually stable and shows nil issues. 

the hops you mentioned earlier are not an issue.

i'm not saying you do not have an issue, just the pingplots/tracert do not have any evidence as being the cause.

remove and re- add exceptions for launcher.exe to both the firewall and antivirus too for good measure, they can fail after a patch.

have you also done a game repair per this link in case something funky is occurring with the game files ?

maybe a dxdiag per this guide link is worthwhile too at present 

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yes with ^^ the game is a thousand times better. about the same ping but stuff is happening when I press the button and not having to press it 3 to 20 times to get something to happen.

Now am I going to pay for the WTFast service? NO.

@Drakodemus 

Strange thing is it is only showing a 1% spike for your default internet and that aligns with your other results

if there is an improvement with wtfast, it is likely there is something going on closer to you then the servers, if the issue is as bad as you say and isnt related to what i linked earlier then i have not come across anyone with the same issue. 

the odds of just you being affected on a backbone provider (zayo) would be near impossible.

I gather you have rebooted your router/modem recently etc , wtfast apart from routing differently i would imagine they could be using UTP (havent checked) instead of TCP and can have different priorities with/through local firewalls.

I guess an easy way to narrow this down is if you can test playing with a different system on the same internet connection and see if it has the same issues

Seeing lots of people here that are having all sorts of connection issues.

They just don't have the technical knowledge to run tracert or pathping or ping plotter when they can not connect or get disconnected.

Now yes most of the time it is something on the users end I get that, but after a couple months of me diagnosing my stuff it comes down to the data -it isn't getting to the server or I am not getting data from server.

Which is the packet drops on these three routers -

ae2.cs3.ord2.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.29.27] Overloaded/Dying router
ae3.cs1.lga5.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.29.208] Overloaded/Dying router
ae4.cs1.dca2.us.eth.zayo.com [64.125.29.203] Overloaded/Dying router

- is causing my problems and probably most of the 208 connection errors.

But you would actually have to collect tracert pathping pingplotter data from the people having the connection issues and correlate that data. which no wants to do.

And as you helped prove this by having me use WTFast and all the problems magically disappear by the routing being changed avoiding Zayo's backbone network.

I stand by my Title.

Also it wouldn't be closer to me cause My ISP infrastructure gets used more by using WTFast and then WTFast's network which is obscured under their tunneling protocol.

@Drakodemus 

a 208 is a communication error and is totally different to playing on the servers, the 208 error is simply an issue downloading from either manifest.swtor.com or cdn-patch.swtor.com with the launcher, based on your pingplot results i would say antivirus or firewall is more likely to cause a 208 error.

if you are truely interested in your tracert results read page 29 and 32 in this document 

a tracert only displays the forward path and the return path can be totally different , the hops in-between are irrelevant if the final destination is fine.

I also play fine going through zayo from Australia and no disconnects etc albeit with 300ms ping timings