3v3 territory war?

"yohann269;c-1850938" wrote:
SBC: Where does Padmé fit best in the game?
CGF: Padmé is a leader of the Galactic Republic squad and should be very competitive in PvP. Our goal is for her squad to sit alongside Darth Revan (without Malak) and Jedi Knight Revan squads in terms of power level and competitive viability.

"Skylicus;c-1850940" wrote:

While you are correct we don't have Padme available to us currently, word from the testers is that Padme doesn't have an easy time against DR (w/malak) in 5's and in 3s she stands no chance. Obviously that's from a relatively small test base but I for one am not holding my breath that Padme will affect this at all.

I’m well aware of what they posted in the insights post. It doesn’t make any specific reference to 3v3, and nothing I’ve heard coming out of the testing has specifically mentioned how she fared in 3v3. Having 1/3 of your squad be immune to fear seems like better odds than 1/5. Graceful Assault also has an undispellable Stun on it, making it so you can actually stun the team despite DRs unique. Pair the two of them up with C3PO, and all of a sudden you’ll be able to run that stun just about every turn thanks to Translate as well as fully leveraging JKA’s nerfed unique. Additionally, JKA/Padme synergy will negate DR Deathmark. Seems like it’s got a pretty solid chance to me.

"Skylicus;c-1850940" wrote:

Separate note to your separate note. Did you read the rest of the thread? I've said at least twice and others have as well that we are not complaining about change. We are complaining about about poorly thought out bad change. Saying change is good just because it is change is just flat wrong.

Yes I’ve read it all. I wasn’t implying that all change is good just because it’s change, but what I am implying is that just because *you* find the change bad doesn’t mean the change is objectively bad. That’s just, like, your opinion, man.

I like it. I think it’s a good change. You don’t. We disagree. That’s ok. That doesn’t mean you have the one right answer.

My guild already settles for 2nd place rewards in TW. Looks like this is a done deal now.

"Ikky2win;c-1850876" wrote:

"Kokie;c-1850874" wrote:
For those highly competitive tw guilds complaining of 3v3 and a wall of DR malak teams well guess what? Your opponent has the exact same problem. This 3v3 simply makes it even more competitive which is exactly what I though you wanted. Besides I thought everyone said JKA simply destroys DR/malak so it should be easy :p

Apparently someone hasn’t read the nerf to JKA that was posted yesterday.

That was just me being sarcastic about all the panic post about JKR lol

"Firebrigade;c-1850970" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1850938" wrote:
SBC: Where does Padmé fit best in the game?
CGF: Padmé is a leader of the Galactic Republic squad and should be very competitive in PvP. Our goal is for her squad to sit alongside Darth Revan (without Malak) and Jedi Knight Revan squads in terms of power level and competitive viability.

"Skylicus;c-1850940" wrote:

While you are correct we don't have Padme available to us currently, word from the testers is that Padme doesn't have an easy time against DR (w/malak) in 5's and in 3s she stands no chance. Obviously that's from a relatively small test base but I for one am not holding my breath that Padme will affect this at all.

I’m well aware of what they posted in the insights post. It doesn’t make any specific reference to 3v3, and nothing I’ve heard coming out of the testing has specifically mentioned how she fared in 3v3. Having 1/3 of your squad be immune to fear seems like better odds than 1/5. Graceful Assault also has an undispellable Stun on it, making it so you can actually stun the team despite DRs unique. Pair the two of them up with C3PO, and all of a sudden you’ll be able to run that stun just about every turn thanks to Translate as well as fully leveraging JKA’s nerfed unique. Additionally, JKA/Padme synergy will negate DR Deathmark. Seems like it’s got a pretty solid chance to me.

"Skylicus;c-1850940" wrote:

Separate note to your separate note. Did you read the rest of the thread? I've said at least twice and others have as well that we are not complaining about change. We are complaining about about poorly thought out bad change. Saying change is good just because it is change is just flat wrong.

Yes I’ve read it all. I wasn’t implying that all change is good just because it’s change, but what I am implying is that just because *you* find the change bad doesn’t mean the change is objectively bad. That’s just, like, your opinion, man.

I like it. I think it’s a good change. You don’t. We disagree. That’s ok. That doesn’t mean you have the one right answer.

Several of us have spoken to the testers and they were unable to consistently beat DR/malak using padme.

"Jaxom;c-1850995" wrote:

"Firebrigade;c-1850970" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1850938" wrote:
SBC: Where does Padmé fit best in the game?
CGF: Padmé is a leader of the Galactic Republic squad and should be very competitive in PvP. Our goal is for her squad to sit alongside Darth Revan (without Malak) and Jedi Knight Revan squads in terms of power level and competitive viability.

"Skylicus;c-1850940" wrote:

While you are correct we don't have Padme available to us currently, word from the testers is that Padme doesn't have an easy time against DR (w/malak) in 5's and in 3s she stands no chance. Obviously that's from a relatively small test base but I for one am not holding my breath that Padme will affect this at all.

I’m well aware of what they posted in the insights post. It doesn’t make any specific reference to 3v3, and nothing I’ve heard coming out of the testing has specifically mentioned how she fared in 3v3. Having 1/3 of your squad be immune to fear seems like better odds than 1/5. Graceful Assault also has an undispellable Stun on it, making it so you can actually stun the team despite DRs unique. Pair the two of them up with C3PO, and all of a sudden you’ll be able to run that stun just about every turn thanks to Translate as well as fully leveraging JKA’s nerfed unique. Additionally, JKA/Padme synergy will negate DR Deathmark. Seems like it’s got a pretty solid chance to me.

"Skylicus;c-1850940" wrote:

Separate note to your separate note. Did you read the rest of the thread? I've said at least twice and others have as well that we are not complaining about change. We are complaining about about poorly thought out bad change. Saying change is good just because it is change is just flat wrong.

Yes I’ve read it all. I wasn’t implying that all change is good just because it’s change, but what I am implying is that just because *you* find the change bad doesn’t mean the change is objectively bad. That’s just, like, your opinion, man.

I like it. I think it’s a good change. You don’t. We disagree. That’s ok. That doesn’t mean you have the one right answer.

Several of us have spoken to the testers and they were unable to consistently beat DR/malak using padme.

And they were specifically referring to 3v3? Because I’ve only heard discussion around 5v5 so far. I’m reserving judgement until she’s in the wild, the community has a tendency to underestimate new character utility (remember when the general sentiment was that DR was a waste and would never dethrone JKR?). At least based on the kit, it seems like she’s got as solid a chance as anyone at the moment.

"Firebrigade;c-1850970" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1850938" wrote:
SBC: Where does Padmé fit best in the game?
CGF: Padmé is a leader of the Galactic Republic squad and should be very competitive in PvP. Our goal is for her squad to sit alongside Darth Revan (without Malak) and Jedi Knight Revan squads in terms of power level and competitive viability.

"Skylicus;c-1850940" wrote:

While you are correct we don't have Padme available to us currently, word from the testers is that Padme doesn't have an easy time against DR (w/malak) in 5's and in 3s she stands no chance. Obviously that's from a relatively small test base but I for one am not holding my breath that Padme will affect this at all.

I’m well aware of what they posted in the insights post. It doesn’t make any specific reference to 3v3, and nothing I’ve heard coming out of the testing has specifically mentioned how she fared in 3v3. Having 1/3 of your squad be immune to fear seems like better odds than 1/5. Graceful Assault also has an undispellable Stun on it, making it so you can actually stun the team despite DRs unique. Pair the two of them up with C3PO, and all of a sudden you’ll be able to run that stun just about every turn thanks to Translate as well as fully leveraging JKA’s nerfed unique. Additionally, JKA/Padme synergy will negate DR Deathmark. Seems like it’s got a pretty solid chance to me.

"Skylicus;c-1850940" wrote:

Separate note to your separate note. Did you read the rest of the thread? I've said at least twice and others have as well that we are not complaining about change. We are complaining about about poorly thought out bad change. Saying change is good just because it is change is just flat wrong.

Yes I’ve read it all. I wasn’t implying that all change is good just because it’s change, but what I am implying is that just because *you* find the change bad doesn’t mean the change is objectively bad. That’s just, like, your opinion, man.

I like it. I think it’s a good change. You don’t. We disagree. That’s ok. That doesn’t mean you have the one right answer.

Agreed - I have no issues with people expressing differing opinions, and I'm even willing to be proven wrong. I feel pretty strongly on this issue as TW is the only thing in this game I like and the way I like to play it is being stripped away piece by piece. I realize that is my opinion and others have different ones - my comment was specifically directed at those saying "stop whining about change".

I will gladly engage in a conversation about whether this change is a good or bad one, heck if it was timed differently I could probably even be convinced to hold my judgement until we actually have the war. Half the people posting in favor of this aren't addressing the issues the rest of us are bringing up, they are just telling us to shut up and accept it.

That doesn't strike me as productive or good for the health of the game.....granted CG doesn't have a history of caring about anything we post here so maybe I'm just wasting my time.

"Firebrigade;c-1850970" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1850938" wrote:
SBC: Where does Padmé fit best in the game?
CGF: Padmé is a leader of the Galactic Republic squad and should be very competitive in PvP. Our goal is for her squad to sit alongside Darth Revan (without Malak) and Jedi Knight Revan squads in terms of power level and competitive viability.

"Skylicus;c-1850940" wrote:

While you are correct we don't have Padme available to us currently, word from the testers is that Padme doesn't have an easy time against DR (w/malak) in 5's and in 3s she stands no chance. Obviously that's from a relatively small test base but I for one am not holding my breath that Padme will affect this at all.

I’m well aware of what they posted in the insights post. It doesn’t make any specific reference to 3v3, and nothing I’ve heard coming out of the testing has specifically mentioned how she fared in 3v3. Having 1/3 of your squad be immune to fear seems like better odds than 1/5. Graceful Assault also has an undispellable Stun on it, making it so you can actually stun the team despite DRs unique. Pair the two of them up with C3PO, and all of a sudden you’ll be able to run that stun just about every turn thanks to Translate as well as fully leveraging JKA’s nerfed unique. Additionally, JKA/Padme synergy will negate DR Deathmark. Seems like it’s got a pretty solid chance to me.

"Skylicus;c-1850940" wrote:

Separate note to your separate note. Did you read the rest of the thread? I've said at least twice and others have as well that we are not complaining about change. We are complaining about about poorly thought out bad change. Saying change is good just because it is change is just flat wrong.

Yes I’ve read it all. I wasn’t implying that all change is good just because it’s change, but what I am implying is that just because *you* find the change bad doesn’t mean the change is objectively bad. That’s just, like, your opinion, man.

I like it. I think it’s a good change. You don’t. We disagree. That’s ok. That doesn’t mean you have the one right answer.

Agreed- I have no issues with people expressing opinions that are opposite of mine. I will gladly engage in a conversation on whether or not this change is good. Heck - if the timing was different I could probably be convinced to withhold my judgment until after the war. I feel strongly on this issue because TW is the only reason I play this game, and it feels that the way I enjoy playing it is being stripped away piece by piece. That is my opinion and other people have different ones.

My comment (and some of my previous ones) was directed at the people telling us to stop whining about change. There are people like you who are engaging those of us against this with actual arguments and thought out replies. Then there are people just saying "stop complaining and suck it up". That doesn't strike me as helpful or good for the longevity of the game......granted CG hasn't expressed any real interest in anything the community says here so maybe I'm just wasting my time and energy.

We've had so much 3v3 practice in GA. Does this community seriously not know how to do it yet? 3v3 is nothing new already. I know which teams are better on D and which are better on O...just transfer those ideas and methods to TW.

"keiths9216;c-1851295" wrote:
We've had so much 3v3 practice in GA. Does this community seriously not know how to do it yet? 3v3 is nothing new already. I know which teams are better on D and which are better on O...just transfer those ideas and methods to TW.

And in a guild setting how will you beat 50 DR/MALAK/DSBS teams? Even with faster mods there is an RNG element to this matchup in 1 vs 1 GA settings. Magnify this to 50 and it is ridiculous.

Elite guilds are struggling with the 5s version of the DR/Malak team. No one is clearing these walls clean.

"Morgoth_Lives;c-1851341" wrote:

"keiths9216;c-1851295" wrote:
We've had so much 3v3 practice in GA. Does this community seriously not know how to do it yet? 3v3 is nothing new already. I know which teams are better on D and which are better on O...just transfer those ideas and methods to TW.

And in a guild setting how will you beat 50 DR/MALAK/DSBS teams? Even with faster mods there is an RNG element to this matchup in 1 vs 1 GA settings. Magnify this to 50 and it is ridiculous.

Elite guilds are struggling with the 5s version of the DR/Malak team. No one is clearing these walls clean.

Welcome back to the same reality as us mere mortals. :D