An interesting switch in defining a meta.

One of the more disturbing issues regarding the release of the new GLs is actually lack of clarification of what we can expect from them.
They used the term "similar power level", yet nowhere gave us the impression that certain GLs can't beat others. To cut to the chase; what is the point going for SEE when 80% of your arena shard is SLKR? Why shouldn't you expect the recently released GL to be able to at least beat the other GLs? The two prievous GLs were able to.
If the whole idea was a "rock paper scissor" meta in arena, shouldn't we at least be told it was something they were aiming for with these 4 GLs?

I don't understand, Xagen.

Isn't SEE ripping through JML & Rey? I understand that SEE can't beat SLKR, but that doesn't mean he isn't part of a crosslinked meta. Even if all 3 other GLs can beat him, he can beat 2 of the 3 other GLs, which means that when you're getting your 2 GLs (minimum) to make sure you can rotate through them to get the right one in the right fight so you can climb Arena ranks, SEE is one viable option. It seems to me that if you had JML & SEE you could pick your team and beat any of the 4 GLs at your whim, no SLKR needed.

That doesn't mean that SLKR isn't the best (he is) or that JML + SEE is the best choice when picking only 2 (I don't know which two form the best pair, but it would have to include SLKR in my opinion), but SEE is still able to rip through JML & Rey, and for that reason he must be considered part of the current crosslinked meta.

"MasterSeedy;c-2185102" wrote:


Isn't SEE ripping through JML & Rey? I understand that SEE can't beat SLKR, but that doesn't mean he isn't part of a crosslinked meta. Even if all 3 other GLs can beat him, he can beat 2 of the 3 other GLs, which means that when you're getting your 2 GLs (minimum) to make sure you can rotate through them to get the right one in the right fight so you can climb Arena ranks, SEE is one viable option. It seems to me that if you had JML & SEE you could pick your team and beat any of the 4 GLs at your whim, no SLKR needed.

Since when was it intended for two GLs in arena to be a requirement to climb? Certainly not shared with us by CG. The previous GLs could counter each other. If we were to expect some GLs not to be able to counter another, why were we not told this in advance? Why have to gamble for the GL you go for being able to beat the dominant team (in number of squads) in arena?
The idea of choosing which GL you like and go for that one, was raised for us. Not a requirement of having to have several GLs.

i absolutely sure that most people who didn't have GLs at all, knowing that with introduction of Palp and Luke would be introduced the system rock paper scissor, never, i repeat never would go to farm SEE. i have a couple of teammates from guild, who stopped farming their first Gl SEE, and started farming SLKR, because SLKR beats all three teams successfully.

"Xagen;c-2185112" wrote:
i absolutely sure that most people who didn't have GLs at all, knowing that with introduction of Palp and Luke would be introduced the system rock paper scissor, never, i repeat never would go to farm SEE. i have a couple of teammates from guild, who stopped farming their first Gl SEE, and started farming SLKR, because SLKR beats all three teams successfully.

This is what a lot of people are going to do, and it's going to make SEE even more of a poor value

"vincentlondon;c-2185033" wrote:
If every new GL is on par power level than the current ones, then just keep SLKR.
Stop playing and come back in 10 years, you will still have the best squad in the game and there will be 10.000 players with 10.000 SLKR squads

That would be true if the current GLs were:
1- going to be the last GLs released
2- going to be the last toons released

At any point down the line they could release a non GL that supports or raises one up just enough to be ahead of the others, or at least a few.

I mean we already see JML giving SLKR trouble.

Why does SEE keep linking Wat though? That's an AI issue, you have to link JML because of the tank tech, but bastila in the first link then JKL in the second so he dies when SEE gets his ultimate.

Although while they're mixing teams, if you're attacking that squad, throw han in there to stun Wat first and a buff dispel to get rid of Luke's taunt from the bastila lead.

"ScoundrelRui;c-2185159" wrote:

"Xagen;c-2185150" wrote:

"ScoundrelRui;c-2185143" wrote:
Why does SEE keep linking Wat though? That's an AI issue, you have to link JML because of the tank tech, but bastila in the first link then JKL in the second so he dies when SEE gets his ultimate.

Although while they're mixing teams, if you're attacking that squad, throw han in there to stun Wat first and a buff dispel to get rid of Luke's taunt from the bastila lead.

By the way, Kylo can kill him in such mixed team, and without Han. Sorry to say.

And I still don't care, I'll never get kylo or rey because I don't want them. They threw that team together to beat a specific palps team, it's the whole point of theory crafting and there'll be many more in the future.

Ok, it's absolutely your own business whom you are going to farm, but i speak on behalf of my friends from guild, and the fact that Papl's state deceived our expectations is true.

"HumbleMumble;c-2185077" wrote:
If memory serves me right I think CG have hinted for a long time that they wish to move away from Arena being the most important game mode but it’s difficult because of it being the main source of crystal income. I think that this is an excellent way of doing this. Once you get a GL you’re guaranteed to have at least have a chance to get first in Arena. But having several GLs will benefit you in other game modes, be it current or future modes, that could be more important than Arena as a source of crystals or gear or whatever is important at that time.

This is good in concept. I have Rey and SEE. Rey is great in arena, GAC, tw, and tb. Not so great I’m raids though. The problem is SEE doesn’t excel in any game modes at this time. Maybe they are actually going to release some compelling content, like a new raid with Jedi as the main enemies where SEE guarantees you the best rewards? If that were the case, it may be a reasonable trade off for being bad in every other game mode compared to the other 3 GLs.

"Kyno;c-2185127" wrote:

"vincentlondon;c-2185033" wrote:
If every new GL is on par power level than the current ones, then just keep SLKR.
Stop playing and come back in 10 years, you will still have the best squad in the game and there will be 10.000 players with 10.000 SLKR squads

That would be true if the current GLs were:
1- going to be the last GLs released
2- going to be the last toons released

At any point down the line they could release a non GL that supports or raises one up just enough to be ahead of the others, or at least a few.

I mean we already see JML giving SLKR trouble.

Why would anyone ever get future GLs when these new ones are worse than the old ones? Get SLKR, get your arena crystals, and call it a day. There is no way in spending for future GLs again when they underperform to the old ones.