Asajj as a Sith?

"C_Man101;830653" wrote:

"Jay_cube1;830633" wrote:
For Savage it's easy because Maul took him as his apprentice. An argument could be made for Savage as a night sister/brother factions which is plausible.

However, Ventress is a little complicated. We could assume that her training under Dooku and flash back training as a Jedi are just internships to her true identity as a night sister with force abilities.

I think the key here is how long the character is associated with the role and how the role defines him/her. Therefore, Maul and Savage are both Sith whereas Ventress is a night sister with force abilities.

I believe savage is considered a sith is bc of how ruthless he was his first appearance he practically destroys all the battle droids and clones and practically defeats 2 jedi with a staff

I don't mean to be picky, but he DOES defeat two Jedi with just a staff. One of which is a master, as well as a squad of clones. The droids that got in his way were ripped apart as well.

I think we also have to factor in the time period the toon is in. For example we have farmer Luke, two different Palps, and two different Hans. There was a thread awhile ago that I remember reading and commenting on about if Asajj should have the bounty hunter or scoundrel tag, since she was a bounty hunter/scoundrel at one time.

If we look at he abilities and appearance, I think she should have Sith and Night Sister tags. It seems this version of her we have is from the heart of the Clone Wars, when she was still an assassin/apprentice to Dooku.

"ItsJarJarBinkz;830490" wrote:
The official star wars site says she wasn't a sith but Savage was. Simply as that.
ASAJJ VENTRESS
An assassin trained in the ways of the dark side by Count Dooku, Asajj Ventress yearned to be considered a true Sith, but such status wasn't allowed under the Sith's Rule of Two. Ventress fought with twin red-bladed lightsabers, and clashed with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker many times. But her destiny would not lie with the Sith. After Dooku rejected her as his apprentice and tried to kill her, Ventress returned to her roots as a Nightsister, made a living as a bounty hunter, and – in the strangest twist of all – rediscovered the way of the light that she’d rejected long ago as a Jedi Padawan.

It appears to me that the site actually acknowledges that she was a sith apprentice of dooku's based on the bolded above. It only states she wasn't considered a full sith yet, not that she wasn't a sith apprentice. Also...

"DarthLucaz" wrote:
Retcons are distasteful and in her case creates plot holes for the book Dark Disciple where they blatently label her a former Sith.

Dark Disciple is a canon book that labeled her a former Sith. Both of these sources, the website and a canon book, indicate that she is more than deserving of the Sith tag. And it makes sense in terms of gameplay as it would open up more options for her as far as team viability goes.

+1 If they can give Savage Opress the Sith tag (despite being just a tool) and General Grievious the Droid tag (despite him being a living being, not a droid, a Kaleesh alien) they could take some liberty and make Asajj Ventress a Sith, l mean, she is evil, she has red lightsabers, uses the Dark Side of the Force and works under Dooku a Sith Lord, her master (as well as S.Opress, and he is labeled as a Sith in-game btw).

All discussion of whether she's a true Sith aside, the Sith label wouldn't really help her much. Her main problem is speed. Under Emp she'd gain more health and potency, under Vader she'd get better offense, and under Maul she'd gain more evasion. What she really needs is speed and TM gain to be a viable hero. Even speed-enhancing mods can only bump that up so far, and are better used on other heroes. Though perhaps if her leader speed bonus also applied to Sith she could be a viable Sith leader, as most Sith are rather slow.

"Sacull_Kinslayer;830632" wrote:
However... Since clone wars is canon... It doesn't change the fact that she was a Sith Apprentice, trained by a Sith Lord, trained in the Sith Ways, to help kill her Master's master, to become a Sith. As is the way of the Sith.

She failed to do that though.

Maybe give her the tag "Sith Wannabe" or "Worst Sith ever".

Even after Anakin killed Dooku, he didn't become Sith until after the clash with Windu.

A bit of apples and oranges but still...

"Gaidal_Cain;830824" wrote:

"Sacull_Kinslayer;830632" wrote:
However... Since clone wars is canon... It doesn't change the fact that she was a Sith Apprentice, trained by a Sith Lord, trained in the Sith Ways, to help kill her Master's master, to become a Sith. As is the way of the Sith.

She failed to do that though.

Maybe give her the tag "Sith Wannabe" or "Worst Sith ever".

Even after Anakin killed Dooku, he didn't become Sith until after the clash with Windu.

A bit of apples and oranges but still...

She failed because palp became afraid of her and forced dooku to turn on her. Sounds like she was doing pretty good in the sith in training to make the baddest bad be afraid of her.

(The baddest bad who happened to single handedly take down both Maul and Savage simultaneously... But was afraid of her)

"kalidor;830761" wrote:
All discussion of whether she's a true Sith aside, the Sith label wouldn't really help her much. Her main problem is speed. Under Emp she'd gain more health and potency, under Vader she'd get better offense, and under Maul she'd gain more evasion. What she really needs is speed and TM gain to be a viable hero. Even speed-enhancing mods can only bump that up so far, and are better used on other heroes. Though perhaps if her leader speed bonus also applied to Sith she could be a viable Sith leader, as most Sith are rather slow.

At the start of most matches she has a base speed of 179, against auto-taunters it would be 164. Either way she is one of the fastest out the gate in terms of first turn speed. So I think CG did try to address what USED to be one of her main problems of being slow, now they just need to address how horrible the AI uses her (something akin to how they tweeked yoda to make him less terrible on defense).

I'm all for Asajj being a sith so that we can use her under an EP lead. However, Asajj was never canonically a sith. She was an assassin for Darth Tyranus(Dooku), then later she became a bounty hunter of sorts. So if anything she could get the scoundrel or bounty hunter tag, but unfortunately she was never a sith. I know it's confusing because she had lightsabers and used the force, so you'd think that's automatic sith criteria.

She isn't a sith in game because she isn't one in lore.