Asajj Ventress Limitations

@Boo "Long story short, Ventress was sith, just not a sith lord.

Also the Devs are not arguing this either - they merely say her snap shot in-game is post double-cross from Dooku - but this again does not make sense if she has the separatist tag does it - in which case she would be still under the apprenticeship of Dooku as described above and therefore warrants a Sith tag."
My god finally somebody with some logic. 100% agree. Very well put.
However Snoke is definitely not Plagueis, he was just another poorly written character in the new trilogy, with no roots in the Star Wars universe

"Boo;c-1605104" wrote:
Its no secret that Johnson ignored every set up TFA had to offer TLJ and very much made his own selfish movie - who knows what we would have got if the true reveal of Snoke's character was exposed.

Well, it's not a secret, I'll give you that.

It's also not true.

Abrams left a bunch of unanswered questions, as is his wont, with some suggestions for what they might be. Those aren't promises or obligations. They're interest points, and courtesies to the next director, for Rian to pick and choose as he saw fit. Yes, Abrams had some suggestions for some of them, but they were only that. Suggestions. Whether Abrams' thought was for Snoke to be Plagueis or for Rey to be the secret child of Boba Fett and Sy Snootles holds no weight, because they were just one suggestion for the next director to make up their own mind about.

Rian chose a lot of those leads to pick up, and chose a direction to go, as was literally his job. It may not have been the direction Abrams had in mind, it may not be the direction you expected, but that doesn't matter. Not Abrams' movie. Not Abrams' vision. And that is exactly what Abrams wanted and why he structured things the way he did. To leave freedom for the story to go in unexpected directions.

My god, You guys please take this discussion somewhere else. Snoke is just another underdeveloped character in the new garbage trilogy. It's like you guys are trying to find hidden meanings the lyrics to the hokie pokie! Snoke was just a random made up character with less background story than Rey's parents. Just another blaring result of cutting off a franchise from its creative core, George Lucas.

And btw the way to all the doubters of Asajj Ventress' status as a sith. Refer to Clone wars season 3 episode 12 "Nightsisters" at 1:47 into the episode Palpatine refers to Asajj specifically as a "sith apprentice" hence she is a sith.

"Ninjah9;c-1577547" wrote:
The whole snapshot explanation is weak, I guarantee you there will never be another Ventress toon. Ventress absolutely is a sith, the comparison to Ashoka is spot on. And Ashoka fulcrum should be listed as a jedi too. My thought is the sith/jedi specials are shared because of light/dark powers of the force. So if they use the light/dark side of force they should benefit from those abilities. My main point is it makes characters more versatile and is justified by canon.And increases strong squad variation, making the game more fun. Another contradiction with Jarrus and Ezra is they have the jedi tag, not because they are officially part of the jedi order but because they utilize the force. Darth Maul and Savage disconnected from their sith masters, and they are still with. I think it would be cool if they benefited from being teamed up with the nightsisters.

Totally WRONG. First off, bringing the sexist argument is utter kathleen kennedy bullshit. Kanan and Ezra simply want to become Jedi's or advance in the habits of Jedi. Same do Maul and Savage. Savage only because of his brother and the influence of Dooku, but Maul for his own sake.

And now Ahsoka/ Ahsoka Fulcrum. There are 2 versions. 1 Jedi 1 not. Guess why? ... RIGHT! Ahsoka Tano is the padawan version still in the Jedi Order introduced by Plo Koon to become a Jedi. In Series 6 Ahsoka Tano leaves the Jedi Order. Later on she joins the rebellion to fight the Empire. So she ain't a Jedi anymore due to her own believe and will. Thats the Fulcrum Version.

Asajj at one point has been Dookus apprentice. Correct. And Dooku called here therefor his sith apprentice. Right. But at one point she gets betrayed by Dooku so she starts to hate Dooku and the Sith and wants to take revenge on him with her nightsister allies. So as Fulcrum she is no SITH to her own will and believe. That is why Asajj in the game is such an important Nighstsister Leader because she lead on the Nightsisters in the fight against Grievous and Dookus Droid army. End of the story.

Just because a Char is in the Game it doesnt mean this char has to get every potential tag it could have. It depends on which version of this char has been taken. Old Ben aint a Republic Char even though he fought for it all the time. Simply because at his older age the republic already had fallen.

Try to look at it that way for all chars and it starts to make sense :)

Oh and the use of the Force ain't an indicator at all. Mace Windu for example uses the dark side to channel his power for his Vaapad lightsabre technique. Should he be a Sith now too? I dont think so ;)

@Elendior: "Asajj at one point has been Dookus apprentice. Correct. And Dooku called here therefor his sith apprentice. Right. But at one point she gets betrayed by Dooku so she starts to hate Dooku and the Sith and wants to take revenge on him with her nightsister allies. So as Fulcrum she is no SITH to her own will and believe. That is why Asajj in the game is such an important Nighstsister Leader because she lead on the Nightsisters in the fight against Grievous and Dookus Droid army. End of the story."

Yea not quite pal, tell me why she has a separatist tag? Can't wait to hear you explain that one, lol

I totally understand characters can't have all their tags from their entire timeline, that's just crazy. Unless of course its R2-D2, explain that one?
I just believe being defined as a Sith is not really an association with a faction, but rather a being who utilizes the techniques of the dark side of the force. Like Maul and Savage. Not to mention sith have been at war with each other and killing each other off for thousands of years. So it isnt really a faction, just like two knights aren't allied with all knights in the universe simply because they are knights.
One of the main points I'm trying to make is that she is a sith. A sith who fought with the nightsister, just like a jedi can fight alongside the galactic republic.

"Oh and the use of the Force ain't an indicator at all. Mace Windu for example uses the dark side to channel his power for his Vaapad lightsabre technique. Should he be a Sith now too? I dont think so"
That's just plain dumb, if I was using that logic (which I absolutely wasnt) I would say shes a jedi too. Nice try buddy, that was really cute ;)

"Ninjah9;c-1605734" wrote:


Yea not quite pal, tell me why she has a separatist tag?

I totally understand characters can't have all their tags from their entire timeline, that's just crazy. Unless of course its R2-D2, explain that one?

I just believe being defined as a Sith is not really an association with a faction, but rather a being who utilizes the techniques of the dark side of the force. Like Maul and Savage. Not to mention sith have been at war with each other and killing each other off for thousands of years. So it isnt really a faction, just like two knights aren't allied with all knights in the universe simply because they are knights.
One of the main points I'm trying to make is that she is a sith. A sith who fought with the nightsister, just like a jedi can fight alongside the galactic republic.

"Oh and the use of the Force ain't an indicator at all. Mace Windu for example uses the dark side to channel his power for his Vaapad lightsabre technique. Should he be a Sith now too? I dont think so"
That's just plain dumb, if I was using that logic (which I absolutely wasnt) I would say shes a jedi too. Nice try buddy, that was really cute ;)

The Separatist just were their enemies at that point. She never wanted to take revenge against them (A sith betrayed her not the Separatists in detail). She wanted to fight Dooku who was a Separatist leader. So he used his separatist army.

R2 kinda always has been everything haha. I guess he enjoys his popularity and the fact that he is one of the legendary chars. They kinda there took his overall value in the whole SAGA. But I know what you mean with him :D

Regarding the Windu example: well its exactly what you mentioned. The use of the force should benefit them. Every dark Force user would be Sith then ingame. Thats what you said. If not explain it more detailed please. I once was thinking about Asajj as a Sith too but overall there are not enough reasons for this tag. Some points of yours were good. Dont get me wrong! But there just isn't enough.

Also dont mix up the Ezra/ Kanan Storyline. There is no existing Jedi Order at that time. Still Kanan is teaching himself and later on Ezra in the habits of the Jedis. Ezra and Kanan come shortly after Order 66 and before a new Hope timeline wise. So they wanna revive the Jedi "thing". So the Jedi Tag makes sense for me :)

Let me give you another reason/ example:

Asajj and Aurra for example have quite the same background. Aurra once has been a padawan. But due to her wildness and anger she has been kicked out. I would never give her the jedi tag either. Even though she clearly has been in the Jedi Order. Do you understand me now?

I think this is what Disney and CG use as reasons ^^ I doubt will will change ur mind on Asajj being a Sith because you desperately want her to be a Sith to Increase YOUR gaming experience ^^

Nevertheless I dont see any benefits for her or the Sith ingame, cause her kit is mainly designed for a Nightsister line up (or at least some).

"Boo;c-1606207" wrote:
That's your opinion, not mine.

I'm right.

I do hope you are not suggesting my opinion is in any way "strange".

You are factually incorrect in saying that Rian ignored every setup in TFA.

@Boo yes but apparently that's just not enough evidence for some people. I had to make the point that Palpatine recognized her as a sith as well.

@elendior: Wow utterly ridiculous, so to be clear you are arguing that she is still a separatist while fighting the two main leaders of the separatist army??? I doubt she ever cared about the Confederacy, and was more concerned with her sith apprenticeship with count dooku. There is a much better argument for her being a sith than there is for her being a seperatist.

Sith, someone who follows the ways of the sith.
If a jedi uses a sith technique, that doesn't make him a sith and I never said that. You're drawing a false equivalency between my logic and your weak analogy about windu. I'm pretty sure Ezra was using sith technique when he made a trooper kill himself, yet I dont say hes a sith.

My whole thing about Ezra and Kanan was in response to another person's lame logic trying to say Asajj was never a sith.

"Ninjah9;c-1606341" wrote:
@Boo yes but apparently that's just not enough evidence for some people. I had to make the point that Palpatine recognized her as a sith as well.

@elendior: Wow utterly ridiculous, so to be clear you are arguing that she is still a separatist while fighting the two main leaders of the separatist army??? I doubt she ever cared about the Confederacy, and was more concerned with her sith apprenticeship with count dooku. There is a much better argument for her being a sith than there is for her being a seperatist.

Sith, someone who follows the ways of the sith.
If a jedi uses a sith technique, that doesn't make him a sith and I never said that. You're drawing a false equivalency between my logic and your weak analogy about windu. I'm pretty sure Ezra was using sith technique when he made a trooper kill himself, yet I dont say hes a sith.

My whole thing about Ezra and Kanan was in response to another person's lame logic trying to say Asajj was never a sith.

Nope I never said she is a separatist. You just brought up the ingame tag. That was me trying to find an explanation for it. Nothing more, nothing less. If you ask me I dont like her having that tag too. Exactly because of ur point.



Alright, I thought u were the one bringing in the Ezra/Kanan thing (which are undoubtedly Jedi, since both are the series 2/3 versions)

In my eyes she is more of an Scoundrel/Nightsister in total. Because after being betrayed by dooku and loosing to him she went undercover and lived the life of a scoundrel/Bounty Hunter. Still her main character is just a pure Nightsister. That is the only faction she ever really belonged to.


I think to make it 100% right CG should add a Sith/Separatist Apprentice Ventress and make the Ventress already in the game a complete nightsister version with no separatist tag. That would be the best solution. If we have 534892743982193809 Han Solos we can have at least 2 Asajj right?