C-3PO + CLS Phase 4 Traya

"Woodroward;c-1785437" wrote:

"Bulldog1205;c-1785313" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1785080" wrote:
After thought, I think I would want to run both Jyn and Bistan over bb8 and Han.

Jyn can give a teammate 100% tm so you can have her give Ezra 100% tm and call 3p0 2x plus will be able to remove tm fairly consistently and gain bonus turns doing so.

Bistan will constantly have frenzy and will take numerous turns and has chances to remove tm. Plus he gives all allies 20% tm when he pops frenzy.

Tm gain seems like it would be a little better than with BB and raid Han, but with the added benefit of more sources of tm removal which will presumably be more reliable. You'd have 12 potential debuffs to be resisted with each Oh My Goodness and the amount during each turn would be much higher. Jyn could get 2 with truncheon strike. Bistan could get 6 a round. Ezra could be getting 4 a round. CLS could get 5 a round. So that's 29 chances to gain 5% tm on a resist, plus 20% tm from Bistan (so 16 resists would equal 100%tm) and a chance at tm removal on top of it all.

I mean, for tm removal, do we really care whether or not it gets resisted? Seems like it's a win either way, and probably a bigger one if it doesn't.

Because of the stacking tenacity and gaining tm eventually Traya will take turns since you won't be able to remove hers anymore (it will pretty much only be Jyn removing it anyway). But it seems like this might be comparable to NS vs Nihilus in this phase.

You do lose the damage buffs from bb8, but it seems like you'd be able to control Traya's tm better. May lead to a higher overall score. The only real issue I see is that occasionally 3p0 may take turns where OMG isn't off CD, but I don't think that will stop the tm train from rolling if he does. There's just too much of it.

Jyn and Bistan don’t generate 2 assists for C3PO, so his cooldown does not reset every turn, which ruins things.

I tried Hera just now in place of BB8. It doesn’t work well, for 2 reasons. First off, you now have 3 cooldowns you need reset (Hera, C3PO, Ezra) instead of just 2. That means you basically need to get 3 stacks on Hera where you only needed 1 on BB8. This means it takes longer to setup.

Second, the order of turns is not completely predictable, which means there were times when Hera, C3PO, and Ezra wouldn’t go in order, which means one of them would go before they got their cooldowns reset, which would throw off everything. This happens because of the TM gain Ezra gives C3PO, and because there are so many resists that characters are frequently pushed into 100% TM ties and it comes down to RNG.

The team wiped before it could get setup on my first try and got 1.3 million on my 2nd try. Which is respectable, and I could probably bump it up to over 1.5 easily and maybe approach 2 million with better mods, refined mechanisms, and RNG. But still a far cry from the 4 million the original team can do.

...as I stated Jyn can give ezra 100%tm so he can call 3p0 to assist 2x. So Jyn and Bistan DOES generate 2 assists for 3p0.

Even if he didn't, with this setup, you'll have so much extra tm gain over the original comp, you could actually afford to let 3p0 take a turn without his cds reset anyway. (2 ezra assists + 20% from Bistan is 100% which means with 20/29 resists 3p0 gets 2 turns a round, it actually becomes 20/32 when 3p0 takes a 2nd turn) He'll still get 2 turns in before the clock starts to tick again.

This setup can deal with 3p0 not getting called 2x before his turn without it being an issue because it just has more room for error.