Can we talk about new toons in TB platoons? [MERGE]

I've had this thought since TB came out and never have been able to fully rationalize it. I get that this is a fremium model game and they have to make money, but this one particular aspect bugs me. In every other part of the game through skill or some kind of tough to obtain (but free) setup you can not only fully compete it but even excel at it.

TB on the other hand has a hard pay to win block basically with platoons. Without being able to complete 4/6 it is basically not possible to clear at max rewards unless as Kyno said you just way over GP everything which largely no f2p guild can do yet. Being able to work up to a soft cap is fine, like with raids, but I'd argue this is far from a soft cap mainly because depending on character release cadence that cycle it can have significant negative impact on the results. The development cycle and release of characters should NOT impact performance to such a degree.

TB is also by and large established content and should be fully doable at max stars by the f2p crowd by now (at least the elite, which I doubt any can do without at least 3 or 4 whales/krakens). I think a happy compromise would be at least guaranteeing 3 or 4 platoons are without p2p characters/ships and then having at least 1 with p2p so we at least avoid not even being able to get the basic bonus like my guild this week with ships (and many others it sounds are in the same boat), while still allowing for a bonus to the paying crowd. The bonuses could even be tweaked a bit between lvl2 and 3 to reflect that if necessary.

In my opinion, that would be more in line with the rest of the game design.

(Side note, this jumping text box on mobile site forums is the worst thing I've ever seen, please fix it....)

"JupiterBth;c-1615287" wrote:
I agree that players who pay should have an advantage but now you take the bread from the mouth to a homeless man to give it to a tenant. You get 2-4 characters out a month and we should spend nearly $1000 to get them all to 7*. Besides, u r disgusting because these new characters don t appear in platoon 1-4, it's weird from the 5* that they show the tip of their nose, how convenient, doesn t it? Now, here's what I think : We don't pay and yet we manage to do 6/6 in combat missions and those who pay should buy to fill the Pelotons in order to do the same thing we do. Here's what differentiates a REAL player from a PALLOR. We don't need your charity, but you need your audience and your audience, you re gonna lose it if you continue in this direction. How many players have you lost since your renowned events, please I can laugh? You're gonna lose your community and in the end, it S only gonna be whales and petitions to shut down this game. It's just my humble opinion, do what you want. To a good hearing. :) Kyno

@JupiterBth it ain't me. I just play here.

Seven freaking new falcons and 4 FOUR FIVE STAR the new just release sith ships required for the platoon to even do 2 of it TWO of it.

I mean, who thought that was a good idea? Even guilds with whales would require multiples of them to complete even the five star level of this current light side TB.

I mean come on. You can't farm the sith ship, or the falcon, you can't even get them in shipments right?
And yet, you will what, need them all seven starred to do platoons at the last area?

Man Marque is freaking dumb :p

The best part? Its like we don't actually want new ships added now, just makes TB harder xD

And the amount of carrying on here, . . Platoons are nice, but in no way are the critical to the phase. Y’all need to stop,focusing on the minutia so badly and look at the whole picture.

If you can’t go 6/6 or 4/4, platoons won’t save that, and if they do, it’s because you were on the teeter totter edge anyway, so improve your rosters, develop your squads, play with your mods, and platoons become pointless,

Essentially, platoons exist to provide a small measure of assistance , temporarily, while you get your TB squads built, heck this is LS TB folks, use a res squad, it pretty nearly autos 6/6 at a low built status, those Phoenix y’all rag on, are able to auto combats, . .. Jedi , work pretty good now, . . Use your imagination and look for answers , stop laser focusing on the one aspect of TB that is ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS.

"Jenari_DwInZz_;c-1615410" wrote:
@kyno sorry nothing personal ;) the devs dont state anything because they refuse most of the the time to talk or comment unless there is a big uproar. This situation is in essence the same as with the NightSisters they give us a bone to chew on for 8 9 months and it tastes great and then wham they take the bone and its gone. Sorry you have to pay now to get the same results and keep chewing and eating the the bone. How is that not ridiculous? Its the same with drugs first they get you hooked for free and then you have to pay to get that same feeling and state back.... And btw in court this would not hold up what they are doing like this. I am a paying player spend on a average 20 to 30 euros a month, I'm gaming for over 30 years now and never ever have I spend this much money on 1 game. I have been playing this game 1.7 years, do the math thats quit the money vs an AAA game I play on PC or Console. And never been treated and toyed with by a game dev like this!

I think the issue is more so with mobile fremium model. Believe it or not this is one of the best games for the FTP under that model. Furthermore in terms of communication for games like this, swgoh is a lot better at that too.

MSF- has like 0 dev communication and farming characters takes forever and is even more expensive.

That’s not to say - we should all just zip it and be complacent, but know this is one of the better/ if not the best one. I wouldn’t expect EA- to really go against the grain of a fremium game and be a pioneer of change.

They should know a majority of players won't pay for those marquee characters.
It's just fueling our discontent...

They imagine at some point we'd break and say " can't take it anymore, I will buy that €80 pack!".
Won't work that way guys!

I was happy to spend some money on those 21 days crystals boosts sometime ago. I could spend them the way I liked and price was reasonable.
Now those packs are just unreasonable, I don't think you're making more money but I'm sure you're making more unhappy players and that means losing customers..

"Jenari_DwInZz_;c-1615467" wrote:
kyno Vinny_Vader_Vedi

It has allways indeed been the way that we could not fill al the platoons but only 2 or when lucky 4. And I dont care even but its the principal that counts in my book. You can say this is the way it has allways been like and intended Kyno, sorry it was not. After such a long period from the beginning and start of TB which has nothing to do if it was slow or busy, there have been times of both and not only just recent. There was the rule of two ;) hahaha So that's not sheer luck or catching up with toons. For example in DS TB platoons 3 and 4 have allways Death trooper, Krennic, Shore trooper and B2 in them filled with some other old chars like Storm trooper never ever a marque toon. So saying this was intended, nope then they should have done it right away. This one thing on top of all other mistakes, bugs or uproar is to much and getting ridiculous, demotivating and frustrating.

Like I said its a matter of principals for me. The best way is indeed to get your teams up to par and win your battles.

I'm not saying that did or didnt happen to you, but it was not and never has been a hard and fast rule that this wouldn't happen, and I have seen 5 and 6 platoons before.

Applying things like principle to RNG by stating in a small sample size that you have not seen it, doesnt make it true, it also doesnt make it fair or unfair. It 100% falls into what has happened and what they stated could happen.

There are more marquee toons in the game then at this point in any other TB, so the odds were not in our favor.

I would just like to say that in my opinion, things like this and not seeing any results regarding the concerns that people have issued regarding the amount of time that has to be put in to beat STR, is going to turn people off. I already had two people quit the guild I am in in the last month and they had more than 2 mil GP. At first I thought maybe they were trying to find a bigger guild but they are on my ally list and haven't joined any new guilds.

We keep hearing how things are going to get better, and yet it seems lately that what we are getting is, your complaint is noted, however we aren't going to do anything because of A, B, C and D even though it may cause general dissatisfaction with the game. I know the tag line many will respond with would be "they are keeping the paying players happy and that is all that matters", but I can't imagine that even the paying players are happy with either of these situations.

"NikoSWGoH;c-1615482" wrote:
They should know a majority of players won't pay for those marquee characters.
It's just fueling our discontent...

They imagine at some point we'd break and say "can't take it anymore, I will buy that €80 pack!".
Won't work that way guys!

I was happy to spend some money on those 21 days crystals boosts sometime ago. I could spend them the way I liked and price was reasonable.
Now those packs are just unreasonable, I don't think you're making more money but I'm sure you're making more unhappy players and that means losing customers..

I agree with this sentiment. I generally pay to support a game when I am happy with the game and the experience, not when I feel my feedback is ignored, and the game play is becoming more frustrating over time. Honestly, that's why I have been f2p for over a year now.

CG/EA has made that decision easy - and reinforced it everytime they do things like HSith rewards rework, Ships 2.0, several new toons show up in TB platoons and, more than likely, the "new" mod system (which will likely be justmore complicated, demand more time and money).

I don't get why after a couple months of farming Rose and Holdo just for platoons they suddenly disappear and no longer required, at least as much, if at all. Everytime they release new marquee toons the ones we been farming become irrelevant. Lobot and CUP....FOX....SM....Now young han will disappear too. It's a blatant cash grab and forces people to pay to complete platoons. You will NEVER complete all platoons without paying....complete BS imo. I'll never spend a dime and those that do are silly. P2P just for platoons...lol what a joke.