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Rising Hotshot

9 months ago

Cantina signal drops issue

Cantina 8F and 8G (green and blue signal data nodes). I don't understand how the rewards show 2 signal data as the possible rewards but then you complete the battle, you get one. To me, the reward sh...

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ChristophIV

Hero+

9 months ago

I feel "Possible Rewards" is enough of a caveat, but I think we are just going to go round in circles here. You asked for examples that show the rewards display the maximum possible, which have been provided. I didn't get the rewards as displayed (1 of each mod piece against a maximum of 3, 4 of one gear piece vs a maximum of 6). Daily Challenges (STR, TAC etc) also only display the maximum rewards on the tab.

I think what you are suggesting is Signal Data should have it's drops listed as "0-2", which is a fine suggestion until we circle back to character shards. They'd need listed as "0 or 1"/"0 or 2". I personally think Dev time would be better spent on Bug Fixes and QoL features rather than this, but all feedback is noted by the studio.

Lytesaber

Rising Hotshot

9 months ago

I think that for transparency sake, players should know the drop rate for rewards and what the rewards are per node. After all, they are spending money on this and should have a good grasp of the mechanisms behind the scenes while gambling on refreshes. I also think it is fair to have the same mechanics between gear and shards as far as rewards. It seems like what you described are slightly different behaviors that are baked into the game without any documentation explaining it. Players have sort of figured out how it works and have expectations in place but they haven't questioned "why is it like that?"

0-2 would be better. Im still not sure CG is being transparent when showing possible rewards without also displaying the % drop rate. An example is the omicron reward. Perhaps moving those rewards which are rarely winnable to "bonus" would be more indicative that this item is not normally going to be dropped. The chance is x% for this reward. This could allow for separating the 2 signal data vs the 1 signal data. Im assuming the drop rate for 2 is lower than for 1. Normally it is 1. Expect 1. But if you get the bonus, it is 1 plus a bonus 1. Can you get the bonus 1 without the initial 1 or is it calculated after already winning 1. I have no idea. That's because there is no transparency on this in-game. That's kind of the crux of the issue and I wish there a way to bridge that gap.

Sorry for being so long winded. I just want clarity. I enjoy the game. I just don't know how I can spend when unsure what my odds are. I would prefer guaranteed drops across the board. Sure, there would need to be some scaling to make that work but it's not guessing and hoping for the drop rate gods to intervene when refreshing a node.

Thx

ChristophIV
Hero+
9 months ago
Signal data drop rates:

From the Google Sheet in the first comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/SWGalaxyOfHeroes/comments/dbcjnu/signal_data_drop_rates/

My (slightly outdated due to babies and work) FAQ has links to the drop rates from large community data samples for other things in Section 2.1 if it's something of interest to you: https://www.reddit.com/r/SWGalaxyOfHeroes/comments/dbcjnu/signal_data_drop_rates/
- Lytesaber
  Rising Hotshot
  9 months ago
  This post is not just about drop rates. It is the possible rewards shown, what each reward's drop rate/ probability is. Do players know what they are getting if they win a reward? I see no separation between 2 signal and 1 signal drops on the sheet. They are combined there. But in the game, the probability of each type is determined differently. I understand you are trying to address the question but this sheet doesn't do that. Again, having to reference some 3rd party document does not help players making decisions in-game. This really needs to be documented somewhere in game.
DarjeloSalas
Seasoned Ace
9 months ago
CG have been asked to provide this information before, but they never have and probably never will. Though, if I could offer one ray of hope, they never used to tell us the odds on character shard drops paid for with crystals / real money either but now they do (though I suspect they were legally required to provide this).
As for the drop rates, the community has figured them out by observation. Shards have a 1/3 probability to drop. We don’t need CG to confirm this because all the data points to this, and anyone who tracks drops over a period of time will see the same. Gear depends on the colour, as does signal data. Omicrons are much much lower than pretty much anything else.
Even when something less common happens, like a Galactic Chase for a new ship, the community have worked out the drop rate within a few hours of the event going live. I remember one particularly unhappy evening on the forums when a Galactic Chase on ship energy had a 2% per energy spend drop rate when the previous Chase on cantina energy had a 4% drop rate.
Cristoph’s data is very interesting (I think I may have contributed to it when I tracked thousands of results of mod farming) and I think you’ll get the information you want from a source like that long before CG ever say anything on the matter.