Cheaper to buy Nest shards than refresh fleet battle

"Kyno;c-1633858" wrote:

"Snake2;c-1633852" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1633559" wrote:

"Snake2;c-1633546" wrote:
Whatever type of math you'd like to incorporate. If you want to account for free energy, or factor in ships reinforcements. It doesn't matter.

When you compare nest to any toon previously called "farmable", and compare them using the same criteria, nest is the most expensive one. By about double any regular 20 energy hard node toon

Well that's just not true. Be unhappy about it all you want, but it is in no way double. 50%, is closer if you want to compare to a regular hard node.
50 refresh + 50 for energy (100) vs 50 refresh + 100 for energy (150).

No one is saying it's not more expensive when you look at just the shards, but it is more complicated than that, because the extras on that table seem to be more valuable. That was my only point.

I don't refresh hard nodes. I understand you might think so because that's what op mentioned.

For me regular hard nodes are 30 crystals per shard. Nest is 60 crystals per shard.

I am farming toons the best way I can. I spend all my regular energy on hard nodes and farm the two fleet only toons.

I don't enjoy it at all. I much more enjoy farming gear, but they don't want me to play that way if I want to ever get these new toons. But that's the situation we're in.

I hope they change their strategy sometime soon.

If you are not refreshing the node then, Nest is free. you build more energy in 1 day than you can spend on her node.

Right, per shard, Nest will vary from 100% free to an extremely high (200+ crystals per shard) number (not actually since I believe there is a limit in mode refreshes)....

The other variable were not accounting for is time.
Put a time, say a month, or 3 months, and we can define what the average cost per shard is and then where the most effective place to farm from is...

In other news, The cheapest way to get a marquee is the 9.99 pack, then 34.77 pulls of 7.753 shards for a total of $297.46 US. If you pop for the 99.99 crystal box, 3 times.

Nest has been a very low return rate for me...equal or worse than Shoretrooper.

Top tier toons you get from shipments. Why wait 6 months.

Save up 20-30K crystals. Hard nodes are for mid tier

Seems like people undervalue what this node holds, it’s not just nest but the gear and materials on it as well and in reality it doesn’t matter how you farm nest. Just do both methods and you will speed up the time taken to get nest anyway :). And my personal drop rate for nest has been around 40-50% so for me a refresh happens to be more valuable:)

The original math is right, you want to look at the marginal return: So you allready spend your free energy on the mode, the question you need to ask is it worth buying refreshes to farm it again.

However for a 100c refresh you get 120 energy
If you want to be exact I would take the cost as:
50+100*(100/120)=133.3 c

For a cost of 80.8crystals per shard assuming a 33% drop rate.

IN my opinion it is worth it. As the ship materials and gear have a non trivial value. Eventually I guess that will not be case (I.E. after a year your likely going to have all your ships with max reinforcement/abilities), but for now well worth it.

I do think refreshing the mode is worth it.

"EventineElessedil;c-1633512" wrote:

"Xx1xx2xx2;c-1632895" wrote:
It not 33%. Sometimes like today resistance tripper from 5 try, 0 shards.

Shenanigans, I have proof that the drop rate for Resistance Tripper on LS3A is 100%:
https://i.imgur.com/WPoltFc.png

Nice, u be trippin

I went 1/10 yesterday, and I'm 3/5 so far today. If you're looking JUST at crystals/shard, then you could make the argument that it's more consistent (and not even that much more expensive) to just buy shards from shipment.

80*280 = 22400 crystals

280 shards is about 850 node runs at a 33% drop rate.

850*20 = 17000 energy, at 1 crystal per energy is 17000 crystals.
850/5 = 170 node refreshes at 50 crystals a piece is 8500 crystals

So assuming you never get a nest shard from the free energy/attempts, you're looking at 25500 crystals at a 33% drop rate vs 22400 crystals from shipments.

That's a 3100 crystal difference.

"Trystan_Spyder;c-1634314" wrote:
I went 1/10 yesterday, and I'm 3/5 so far today. If you're looking JUST at crystals/shard, then you could make the argument that it's more consistent (and not even that much more expensive) to just buy shards from shipment.

80*280 = 22400 crystals

280 shards is about 850 node runs at a 33% drop rate.

850*20 = 17000 energy, at 1 crystal per energy is 17000 crystals.
850/5 = 170 node refreshes at 50 crystals a piece is 8500 crystals

So assuming you never get a nest shard from the free energy/attempts, you're looking at 25500 crystals at a 33% drop rate vs 22400 crystals from shipments.

That's a 3100 crystal difference.

Which is funny because it will take you longer to farm, so it should be more from shipments which is "faster". But let's not give them any ideas.

Much longer. Assume 1 refresh a day (and again no shards from free energy) and you're looking at 6 months.

Shipments refresh 4 times a day for free. Even if you only see Nest one time out of 4, and it's only 4 shards, it's 2 months.

"Kyno;c-1633858" wrote:

"Snake2;c-1633852" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1633559" wrote:

"Snake2;c-1633546" wrote:
Whatever type of math you'd like to incorporate. If you want to account for free energy, or factor in ships reinforcements. It doesn't matter.

When you compare nest to any toon previously called "farmable", and compare them using the same criteria, nest is the most expensive one. By about double any regular 20 energy hard node toon

Well that's just not true. Be unhappy about it all you want, but it is in no way double. 50%, is closer if you want to compare to a regular hard node.
50 refresh + 50 for energy (100) vs 50 refresh + 100 for energy (150).

No one is saying it's not more expensive when you look at just the shards, but it is more complicated than that, because the extras on that table seem to be more valuable. That was my only point.

I don't refresh hard nodes. I understand you might think so because that's what op mentioned.

For me regular hard nodes are 30 crystals per shard. Nest is 60 crystals per shard.

I am farming toons the best way I can. I spend all my regular energy on hard nodes and farm the two fleet only toons.

I don't enjoy it at all. I much more enjoy farming gear, but they don't want me to play that way if I want to ever get these new toons. But that's the situation we're in.

I hope they change their strategy sometime soon.

If you are not refreshing the node then, Nest is free. you build more energy in 1 day than you can spend on her node.

Lmao. You have to work hard to be that obtuse. I guess everything in this game is free because we get a certain amount of free energy. What a joyous day this is!