Clarity on Win/Loss record in matchmaking?

It seems the win/loss does seem to be only accounted for in each GA session, after the first round. Nothing I have seen has suggested otherwise, but just like TW matching we may not be given all the information at this time.

I had some confusion on this too, so i may be wrong.

"Kyno;c-1716004" wrote:
It seems the win/loss does seem to be only accounted for in each GA session, after the first round. Nothing I have seen has suggested otherwise, but just like TW matching we may not be given all the information at this time.

I had some confusion on this too, so i may be wrong.

I am hoping the w/l are implemented with match making. Even if not now, something they can tweak on in the future.

I’m still holding all judgement until I play it in full swing. TW rewards are done right so I’m hoping that GA will continue the trend.

I don't think the w/l records will be maintained between GA events and used for ranking purposes.

The reason - it will put all the good players vs good players and bad players vs bad players. This means the winning bad player (vs all bad players) will get better rewards than the losing good player (vs all good players). That doesn't seem fair to me. The best players should get better rewards for competing against other good players - however that reward system doesn't exist and would be too complicated to implement.

Odds are that your wins will be counted just like arena and fleet and node battle wins on your profile. However, those wins/losses will not be factors in match making for the reason stated above.

It needs to be somewhat random with a mix of good, medium, and bad players in every set of 8 in order for good players to get the best rewards. Otherwise, the good players (aka whales, krakens, who pay so we can play) will lose vs other good players and get less rewards than bad players winning against bad players. (All within their respected GP brackets.)

"Commander_Wolffe;c-1716025" wrote:
I don't think the w/l records will be maintained between GA events and used for ranking purposes.

The reason - it will put all the good players vs good players and bad players vs bad players. This means the winning bad player (vs all bad players) will get better rewards than the losing good player (vs all good players). That doesn't seem fair to me. The best players should get better rewards for competing against other good players - however that reward system doesn't exist and would be too complicated to implement.

Odds are that your wins will be counted just like arena and fleet and node battle wins on your profile. However, those wins/losses will not be factors in match making for the reason stated above.

It needs to be somewhat random with a mix of good, medium, and bad players in every set of 8 in order for good players to get the best rewards. Otherwise, the good players (aka whales, krakens, who pay so we can play) will lose vs other good players and get less rewards than bad players winning against bad players. (All within their respected GP brackets.)

This mode seems to really weed out players with padded gp like myself. It’s the same in tw but this is just all on you.

What I’m really seeing is that players want to be competitive and that’s great. That’s what really drives pvp and drives parts of this game.

It’s expensive to have 7 teams in all fighting shape or it takes a lot of self control and resource management. That’s the whole point of this game.

I’m more of a pve-guy but happy for those players that really love pvp and want to take it to the next level.

It's likely going to be like a Swiss format, if you've ever done a competitive tournament.

So you're in a pod with a certain number of other players (in this case, 8) and everyone is matched randomly in the first round, at the end of which you have four players at 1-0, and four players at 0-1. In round 2, the 1-0s are paired off against one another, while the 0-1s are paired off as well, and at the end of the round you have two players at 2-0, four players at 1-1, and two players at 0-2. The third, and final, round the two 2-0s face each other (the winner gets 1st place, loser 2nd), the two 0-2s face each other (7th and 8th), and then.... It depends. PROBABLY, the two 1-1s who won in round one and lost in round 2 face off (for 3rd and 4th) and then the other two 1-1s face off (5th and 6th).

I say that's what probably happens because the 1-1s need a tiebreaker of some sort to determine who faces whom. In a straight win/loss style tournament (think any CCG) then the players who won the first round would get the tiebreaker because their loss came to a "better" opponent than compared with the people whose loss came in the first round. But since victories here track Banners, it's possible that like other professional sports that track things like runs or goal differentials or whatever, the tiebreaker will be whoever has the most aggregate banners.

So, basically, there are two meanings of "matchmaking" being used--
The initial matchmaking would be making groupings of 8 or 5 players taking players at random from the big pools of players who fit "of comparable rosters" description, but irrespective of win/losses (otherwise people would be incentivised to tank the first few Grand Arenas so that later Grand Arenas would be easier). Then, once the Grand Arena event starts, that's when win/loss records within that specific event matter.

What proof do I have of this? Absolutely none whatsoever. But that's how the tournaments I ran back in the day worked (For the old Vs ccg), and I don't see any particular reason to change that for this. The thing they need to be careful about is what criteria define who gets placed in which pools from which the initial pods are created. That's where you'll get your potential mismatches, not from the win/losses within the Grand Arena events.

I think you're correct about the matching within the grand arena session. But it seems like it'd be easier to just count total banners won during the tournament, with maybe with a bonus for winning the match.

Win/loss is only used during each grand arena event match making.

"Mercalla;c-1716090" wrote:
I was matched against a guy with an obviously stronger roster. Without any chance, even a longshot, of winning, the only way I can embrace the pvp spirit is lay no defense and deny him progress on GA quests for GK or raid Han

Why punish your opponent they didnt create the match up.

"kalidor;c-1716081" wrote:
I think you're correct about the matching within the grand arena session. But it seems like it'd be easier to just count total banners won during the tournament, with maybe with a bonus for winning the match.

Both would make sense, but I think going purely off win/loss would work better in pods of 5 players since one person will get a bye each round and therefore always get 0 banners for that round (unless they give maximum banners, which would entail a whole other set of complications).

Aggregate banners would also mean that occasionally the 2-0 player that loses to the other 2-0 player will sometimes not come in second place. Although, personally, I like that--it gives people who lose that first round some hope that if they just do REALLY, REALLY well in the subsequent rounds that they'll be able to get a better final rank from tiebreakers.

"Mercalla;c-1716090" wrote:
I was matched against a guy with an obviously stronger roster. Without any chance, even a longshot, of winning, the only way I can embrace the pvp spirit is lay no defense and deny him progress on GA quests for GK or raid Han

Cool story. Must be nice to have such poor sportsmanship.

But also keep in mind that in future events you're going to have three rounds, so not deploying anything will shoot yourself in the foot if it turns out that ties are broken by aggregate banners (which is another argument in favor, now that I think about it). It'll also mean that if you get stomped by a mismatch in the first round you'll likely face off against another player who lost in the first round that will probably have a more similar roster to you.

"Mercalla;c-1716090" wrote:
I was matched against a guy with an obviously stronger roster. Without any chance, even a longshot, of winning, the only way I can embrace the pvp spirit is lay no defense and deny him progress on GA quests for GK or raid Han

Then you’re the very worst kind of player.

"Mercalla;c-1716090" wrote:
I was matched against a guy with an obviously stronger roster. Without any chance, even a longshot, of winning, the only way I can embrace the pvp spirit is lay no defense and deny him progress on GA quests for GK or raid Han

So if you can't win, you won't even try? And try to "punish" someone you don't know?