Really, have you forgotten while Zaul was necessary in the first place? Let me remind you, the Rogue One movie came out and to try to sale as many characters from the movie (almost all lightside for some reason) devs decided to cram almost all the abilities in the game in just 2 toons. Lo and behold the Chaze meta appeared, to complete and not replace the Wiggs meta that was in full effect since August '16. After some months when the time finally came to shift the meta from rebels, Krennic and DT were release. But surprise, surprise they failed miserably, even though their kit would have been very good, close to OP, if they would have been released before Chaze.So now, after the devs painted themselves into a corner, they only had 2 choices: either the sensible one to tweak the rebels, but that would have made the people in the title mad, or to release/ rework something even more OP than rebels, which invariably made the people in the title mad.Anyway after this little recent history lesson, let me ask you, how can you possible complain about the necessary evil while being fine with the root cause that made it necessary in the first place? Chaze aren't OP, just versatile, because of Boba and B2? Horse manure, B2 and Bobawere just enough to seem they were a challenge but not good enough to actually threaten Rebel users, just like you like it, that was why you were dominating leader boards wasn't it? Heck even with Zaul lead added to this counters Chaze is still plenty represented in the leader boards. Zaul is killing every other team outside Rex triple cleanse (which actually include your faves) ? Guess what, that is exactly what rebels were doing since Wiggs. Over 100 toons made irrelevant and unplayable in arenas by 2 OP pairs of rebels. That is exactly what Wiggs is still doing on lower levels now, after a year.

everything has a weakness its up to you to find it and exploit it. the only character that even comes close to having no weaknesses is zavage.

"Boreas;c-1054374" wrote:My only problem with Zaul is the unfair advantage of tm gain at the start, with the use of SA all team attacking first, which grants relatively weaker squads a huge advantage, I have no problem beating them anyway, the problem is they break the defense easily so get on top easily. This should not be that easy, an unfair advantage against strategy and building. Good for lazy people who follow the meta like sheep. As for Chaze, they are not easy to beat, it's a challenge, but I like beating Chaze teams.P.s.: I run a Nihilus lead Sith team, no Zaul, no chaze, no Rex, no GK. What SA is doing now is just what SThan was and is still doing for rebels from the start. I do not use her, or sith trooper, SO or any other sith from the meta, but I had to replace EP as a leader with Zaul just for him to have a chance of surviving against Wiggs oneshoot, since Baze makes Biggs unblockable. I also had to replace my so called counter Boba with Nihilus because he wasn't good enough against the toons he was supposed to counter. I started playing with jedi but I had to change my plans because of Wiggs, then the empire wasn't good enough when Chaze appeared, I know people that quit the game because of rebels, but somehow Zaul is the problem in this game.

BTW while necessity forced me to use Zaul, I didn't make this thread because I do not want him gone, or because I feel he is not OP. Unlike rebel fans/users. I actually admit he is OP and bad for the game. I was really hoping that empire pass will actually make them viable for usage in arena so I can remove his leadership.What drives me crazy is the double standard. Rebels were and still are at lot worse than Zaul, and that for a year now, not 3 months like the sith. The same people that complain about Zaul didn't have a problem with rebels doing the same thing on a far larger scale. They don't have a problem that they are still doing the same in newer shards.So not only I don't have a problem with Zaul being gone, I wish it. As long as he takes the rebel with him.Also about the counters, before I used Zaul, I used an EP lead Vader TFP Boba B2 team, choke full of toons that people like to throw out as counters for both Wiggs and Chaze. Guess what, even though I had better mods than almost all players in my shard, until I replaced TFP with Maul and put him as a leader I couldn't dislodge rebels from the top spots in my leaderboard. So like I said this is really the issue here, not that Zaul is killing diversity, like their rebels are doing for a year, is that Zaul is actually a real counter to them.

Chaze is just over-loaded to the core. Yes, there are counters, but zMaul had counters, and that's how we ended up with 2 teams being viable in arena for a while. Just because something can be countered, doesn't mean that they're not OP.For example, imagine there's a character who instantly kills all enemies at the start of the match. Just because there also, hypothetically, a few characters who stop that effect, doesn't mean the first character isn't OP. It's still forcing every team to use either the OP toon or one of its counters. If you don't want to use any of those characters or they don't fit into your squad, sucks to be you.

I agree chaze is supremely broken.

Complaining about Zaul but being OK with Chaze?

89 Replies

unit900000
8 years ago
everything has a weakness its up to you to find it and exploit it. the only character that even comes close to having no weaknesses is zavage.
DanFlorian84
8 years ago
"Boreas;c-1054374" wrote:
My only problem with Zaul is the unfair advantage of tm gain at the start, with the use of SA all team attacking first, which grants relatively weaker squads a huge advantage, I have no problem beating them anyway, the problem is they break the defense easily so get on top easily. This should not be that easy, an unfair advantage against strategy and building. Good for lazy people who follow the meta like sheep. As for Chaze, they are not easy to beat, it's a challenge, but I like beating Chaze teams.

P.s.: I run a Nihilus lead Sith team, no Zaul, no chaze, no Rex, no GK.

What SA is doing now is just what SThan was and is still doing for rebels from the start. I do not use her, or sith trooper, SO or any other sith from the meta, but I had to replace EP as a leader with Zaul just for him to have a chance of surviving against Wiggs oneshoot, since Baze makes Biggs unblockable. I also had to replace my so called counter Boba with Nihilus because he wasn't good enough against the toons he was supposed to counter. I started playing with jedi but I had to change my plans because of Wiggs, then the empire wasn't good enough when Chaze appeared, I know people that quit the game because of rebels, but somehow Zaul is the problem in this game.
DanFlorian84
8 years ago
BTW while necessity forced me to use Zaul, I didn't make this thread because I do not want him gone, or because I feel he is not OP. Unlike rebel fans/users. I actually admit he is OP and bad for the game. I was really hoping that empire pass will actually make them viable for usage in arena so I can remove his leadership.

What drives me crazy is the double standard. Rebels were and still are at lot worse than Zaul, and that for a year now, not 3 months like the sith. The same people that complain about Zaul didn't have a problem with rebels doing the same thing on a far larger scale. They don't have a problem that they are still doing the same in newer shards.

So not only I don't have a problem with Zaul being gone, I wish it. As long as he takes the rebel with him.

Also about the counters, before I used Zaul, I used an EP lead Vader TFP Boba B2 team, choke full of toons that people like to throw out as counters for both Wiggs and Chaze. Guess what, even though I had better mods than almost all players in my shard, until I replaced TFP with Maul and put him as a leader I couldn't dislodge rebels from the top spots in my leaderboard. So like I said this is really the issue here, not that Zaul is killing diversity, like their rebels are doing for a year, is that Zaul is actually a real counter to them.
IrritablePelica
8 years ago
Chaze is just over-loaded to the core. Yes, there are counters, but zMaul had counters, and that's how we ended up with 2 teams being viable in arena for a while. Just because something can be countered, doesn't mean that they're not OP.

For example, imagine there's a character who instantly kills all enemies at the start of the match. Just because there also, hypothetically, a few characters who stop that effect, doesn't mean the first character isn't OP. It's still forcing every team to use either the OP toon or one of its counters. If you don't want to use any of those characters or they don't fit into your squad, sucks to be you.
Darknessie
8 years ago
I agree chaze is supremely broken.
Gold53
New Spectator
8 years ago
General Kenobi(L), Baze, Chirrut Imwe, Zeta Bariss, & Zeta Fives is great fun to face in GW....
ShaunyVee
Seasoned Ace
8 years ago
Chaze doesn't stop my extremely hard farmed ZETA RESISTANCE and extremely hard farmed FULL ZETA FIRST ORDER teams from being able to take a single turn.

What a disgustingly stupid thread.
cerealian
8 years ago
OFC if you don't have double standards you are not a hypocrite

chirut baze was meta and still stays up now but maulu o no noot maul

resistance sucks it can do well on manual but no wayon auto

maul meta is balanced sry haters

+9999
ShaunyVee
Seasoned Ace
8 years ago
Resistance can't do anything on manual against zaul, what are you on about?

Edit* even with 200 speed on all 5 resistance toons you ain't touching zaul.

Edit times 2.

A full first order squad with FOUR ZETAS. F.O.U.R ZETAS. Relies on flat out RNG to beat a zaul team on OFFENSE.

Read that again, FOUR ZETAS.

sigh
CrisRedfield100
8 years ago
The Chaze combo is genuinely just incredibly obnoxious and frustrating to play against.

It just seems as if it doesn't have any weakness to it and no way of getting past it. Debuffs are turned against you, and their counter chance means their damage is bloody relentless. Furthermore, they are in literally every arena team, no matter whether they have synergy with the other toons or not. It seems crazy to me that two characters can be so broken without getting a nerf for such a long time.

How can having auto-taunt, % max health gain, % max health damage, counter chance, heal over time effects, calling to assist, dispells and tenacity up in two characters be considered at all fair?

Credits go to Gabbuzzzzz17 for making this post on Reddit.