Conquest hard mode

"FerociousPanda;c-2238789" wrote:

"HumbleMumble;c-2238785" wrote:
I would guess the feats that say “Win and do X” require that you win for it to count, feats saying “Do Y for Z number of times” do not require a win to count. Otherwise it’s unnecessary to have some feats adding the “Win” criteria to their description if it’s really a requirement for all feats.

Yea that's what I was thinking too, but I just wanted to make sure in case my memory was just incorrect. If this is the case then this situation isn't as simple as Kyno is suggesting, and it's just factually incorrect for him to say that they need to fix this bug to bring the way feats work in Conquest in line with how they work everywhere else. Because feats currently work two different ways depending on which game mode they're in, so there is no singular consistent line that they have to follow. So it certainly is a valid concern to raise and give feedback on, unless the GAC feats are actually bugged too.

I specifically asked about this feat, and was told this is a bug, so it is a fact that this is being called a bug and will be changed.

I will ask for more clarification on the details. I have never seen or realized a feat was contributed to by a losing match.

I'm 46 datacards away from earning the Hard mode Max box. Here is my feedback on hard mode.

1) Diversity - I realize that the teams are randomly generated, but it would be nice to fight some stupid compositions for fun. Where is my Ima-Gun-Di led GR, Lobot led Droids, or Gar Saxon troopers?

2) GR Special Bonus - Because of this bonus, I try to actively avoid fighting GR teams. Maybe reduce the reflection to 50%.

3) Jawa Scavengers - Hard mode did a better job than normal mode about making each Sector Jawa feel unique in its offerings. My biggest and most controversial suggestion is to change the final Sector's offering from the R8 Injector Piece to the R8 Aeromagnifier and keep the steep price tag. This will force players to choose between those pieces, Razor Crest shards, or large quantities of G12+ gear or signal data.

4) Once a node has been 3 starred, make an option to turn off the bonuses/data cards on that node. This would allow players to test out compositions in situations closer to live situations. It still has an energy cost associated with it which might encourage some players to spend energy on the refreshes to test out compositions.

Overall, I do enjoy hard mode and have enjoyed the challenge it presents. As I said above, I would just like to see some more diversity or at least one crazy/fun team per zone, but it is definitely more fun than Grand Arena to me.

I fought like hell to beat JML in the first go so I could go for hard this time but my (alt) account is only 3 mil GP. Oops.

"Kyno;c-2238793" wrote:

"FerociousPanda;c-2238789" wrote:

"HumbleMumble;c-2238785" wrote:
I would guess the feats that say “Win and do X” require that you win for it to count, feats saying “Do Y for Z number of times” do not require a win to count. Otherwise it’s unnecessary to have some feats adding the “Win” criteria to their description if it’s really a requirement for all feats.

Yea that's what I was thinking too, but I just wanted to make sure in case my memory was just incorrect. If this is the case then this situation isn't as simple as Kyno is suggesting, and it's just factually incorrect for him to say that they need to fix this bug to bring the way feats work in Conquest in line with how they work everywhere else. Because feats currently work two different ways depending on which game mode they're in, so there is no singular consistent line that they have to follow. So it certainly is a valid concern to raise and give feedback on, unless the GAC feats are actually bugged too.

I specifically asked about this feat, and was told this is a bug, so it is a fact that this is being called a bug and will be changed.

I will ask for more clarification on the details. I have never seen or realized a feat was contributed to by a losing match.

I didn't say that it's incorrect to say that it's a bug, I said it's incorrect to say that they have to fix this bug in order to bring the Conquest feats in line with GAC and GC feats. You make it seem like they have no choice but to fix it to make it "in accordance with ever other use of this type of element in the game" and because it's the way "feats work in any circumstance, GAC, GCs, and now GCon" (your own words). But this just isn't true if feats are working differently in GAC and GC. Because how can they bring Conquest feats in line with GAC and GC feats if the way those two work are polar opposites? So clearly that's not the reason they're going to fix the bug, unless again, it turns out that GAC feats aren't working as they intended, and they do want everything to be consistent.

Also, just because it's a bug doesn't mean they definitely have to fix it. The Jawas and the thermal detonator interaction was a bug, but they decided to just make it a feature. I don't think it's out of the question that we can raise feedback about this and ask that they reconsider.

In any case, I'll happily wait for more clarification on the matter.

"Rath_Tarr;c-2238758" wrote:

"Konju;c-2238749" wrote:

"MasterSeedy;c-2238744" wrote:
Every ten turns (I think it's every 10 turns) you get an instant kill, if you want it (like an event special ability that does the same thing in GAC). If you don't use it, however, it doesn't pass back to the other side to allow them to use it (the way it does in GAC). It's all you & only you.

I believe it is based upon buffs on your characters and not turns. I believe every 10 buffs your characters gain they will also gain massively overpowered buff and the next ability they use (even if not an attack) will do massive damage.

It is.every ten buffs. I had one in the first Galactic Conquest. Fun disk but not necessarily the best thing for working on feats.

Sounds fun. Through 1 and 3/5 conquests now - haven't even seen a purple disk yet. RNG is fun.

"Nikoms565;c-2238853" wrote:

"Rath_Tarr;c-2238758" wrote:

"Konju;c-2238749" wrote:

"MasterSeedy;c-2238744" wrote:
Every ten turns (I think it's every 10 turns) you get an instant kill, if you want it (like an event special ability that does the same thing in GAC). If you don't use it, however, it doesn't pass back to the other side to allow them to use it (the way it does in GAC). It's all you & only you.

I believe it is based upon buffs on your characters and not turns. I believe every 10 buffs your characters gain they will also gain massively overpowered buff and the next ability they use (even if not an attack) will do massive damage.

It is.every ten buffs. I had one in the first Galactic Conquest. Fun disk but not necessarily the best thing for working on feats.

Sounds fun. Through 1 and 3/5 conquests now - haven't even seen a purple disk yet. RNG is fun.

I have a different purple disk this conquest but I haven't equipped it yet and probably wont. They're kinda fun but not necessary and as I noted previously they can be counterproductive to feat completion.

"FerociousPanda;c-2238844" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2238793" wrote:

"FerociousPanda;c-2238789" wrote:

"HumbleMumble;c-2238785" wrote:
I would guess the feats that say “Win and do X” require that you win for it to count, feats saying “Do Y for Z number of times” do not require a win to count. Otherwise it’s unnecessary to have some feats adding the “Win” criteria to their description if it’s really a requirement for all feats.

Yea that's what I was thinking too, but I just wanted to make sure in case my memory was just incorrect. If this is the case then this situation isn't as simple as Kyno is suggesting, and it's just factually incorrect for him to say that they need to fix this bug to bring the way feats work in Conquest in line with how they work everywhere else. Because feats currently work two different ways depending on which game mode they're in, so there is no singular consistent line that they have to follow. So it certainly is a valid concern to raise and give feedback on, unless the GAC feats are actually bugged too.

I specifically asked about this feat, and was told this is a bug, so it is a fact that this is being called a bug and will be changed.

I will ask for more clarification on the details. I have never seen or realized a feat was contributed to by a losing match.

I didn't say that it's incorrect to say that it's a bug, I said it's incorrect to say that they have to fix this bug in order to bring the Conquest feats in line with GAC and GC feats. You make it seem like they have no choice but to fix it to make it "in accordance with ever other use of this type of element in the game" and because it's the way "feats work in any circumstance, GAC, GCs, and now GCon" (your own words). But this just isn't true if feats are working differently in GAC and GC. Because how can they bring Conquest feats in line with GAC and GC feats if the way those two work are polar opposites? So clearly that's not the reason they're going to fix the bug, unless again, it turns out that GAC feats aren't working as they intended, and they do want everything to be consistent.

Also, just because it's a bug doesn't mean they definitely have to fix it. The Jawas and the thermal detonator interaction was a bug, but they decided to just make it a feature. I don't think it's out of the question that we can raise feedback about this and ask that they reconsider.

In any case, I'll happily wait for more clarification on the matter.

Ok, I see.

About not fixing bugs, there are 2 ways things can go...

Liking a bug doesnt give Doja a leg to stand on if there are other places where something is used and they are making them all line up. (He is the one who would be representing the player side of this argument)

Isolated things can have an argument that "they are not a bug". (This will be evaluated individually and could or could not change)

In this case the situation started as liking a bug, which is never going to be a reason to not change a bug, if it is to bring it in line with other uses of that element. If feats have 2 variants, then yes which ever case this falls in should align with how it is used elsewhere.

I believe since this fell into the bug bin, that when this question is posed to them they will make a determination if other feats in other game modes are bugged. As I said I will ask for clarification.

But will you at least ask for clarification?

@Kyno foes this mean that those who completed it this way will have their rewards removed?

In regards to the detonator bug