7 years ago

[Dev Post] Matchmaking clarification post: 3/15

Hello Territory Warriors,

We understand recent Territory Wars had guilds matched up at a wider ranges than design intended. As an appreciation and recognition for all the great player feedback and patience as we continue to improve the game:

We will be distributing 500 Crystals to all players on 3/16 in their inbox
Details to be posted in the Game Update section of the forums.

DETAILS

We have made some improvements to the matchmaking system in this week’s server update. Starting with this weekend’s Territory War, you should be seeing results closer to the original design intent.

In order to help you understand that intent, here are some additional details about the system.

Matchmaking seeks to create the most fair matchups, with two primary goals in mind:

The squad power of participating individuals in each guild should be near the same average power.
The strongest possible squads of both participating guilds should be near the same average power.

To achieve this, matchmaking uses multiple parameters.

As a primary consideration, matchmaking identifies the strongest characters/ships expected to be used by each participant in the Territory War and assigns a value to each roster. Then it looks for the single strongest squads and compares them to each other. Matchmaking then aggregates these criteria for the guild and finds the opponent that is most similar.

Comparing Guild Galactic Power (GP), Active GP, or # of participants can be misleading.

Rewards are determined solely by Active GP of the participants. Active GP refers to the total Guild Galactic Power of the guild at the time that each person has joined the Territory War. Galactic Power is locked at that point to ensure that matchmaking is calculated off a fixed number and can’t be drastically changed over the course of the Territory War.

Finally, to promote a variety of opponents, we seek to avoid matching with recently fought opponents, however this can still happen if opponents meeting the above criteria are sparse.

Thank you all for your great feedback as we continue to improve the Territory Wars feature. As with all areas of the game, we will continue to monitor the feature to ensure it is meeting target design goals.

CG_RyDiggs

AdmiralAkroyd
7 years ago
Another TW, another loss. Tempered Fetts 62m GP total, 38 active TW members with reward tier 50-59m matched against Alderanian Souls 88m GP and presumably 32 active TW members (16 teams per section). Two solid walls of 90k+ teams.

I don't know what the answer is? Do all guilds always field 100% participation? Doubt it, but when you have no way of breaking through the lines TW becomes a little numbing.

We've had fun matches with closely matched teams and everyone getting involved, but there should be a way of controlling for such extreme differences.
Paulkennedy145
6 years ago
No matter how you put it the matches are not matched we have just done another TW where our opponents were 13 million GP more than us and had a heap load more gear 13 toons than we had, we did not stand a chance from the word go and the teams we saw were their defence so God knows what they put in offence, so what ever you devs are doing about sorting out unfair matched games is not working and needs to be sorted out. I could understand if it was a balanced amount of team we faced were higher or lower GP than ours but it isn't, it is more often than not we face impossible odds to overcome.
inoanduno
6 years ago
so what happens when u figure based on active gp and one guild has alot fewer participants?...u get a significantly higher concentration of end game content...uno, the kind that eats entire rosters
active 145m.....guilds gp: 165m vs 200m
wheeeee! that wuz fun...for them :/
Steeliestbean
6 years ago

So we just got demolished by a team with 58 G13 vs our 12 and 16 Malak vs our three. I mean how is that fair matchmaking when one screen shot of three of their teams has as many G13s as our whole team?
Sharperich
7 years ago
So pretty much you guys are dissecting our rosters and taking basic teams that are used throughout the game. Adding our guilds up based on this and finding a comparable enemy
Ely101413
7 years ago
From Carries post @CG_RyDiggs

Increasing Defensive Squads for Top Guilds – As top Guilds have so many squads, the average of four defensive squads per players isn’t allowing them to fully demonstrate the strength of their rosters, is not challenging them, and can lead to ties. We’ve increased the number of defensive squads required per person at the top tier of play.

What can you tell us ? 100 extra teams to battle and defend has killed some of the fun for me. It's a lot.
Pogo_Olorin
7 years ago
"Sparrow;c-1494647" wrote:
From my perspective the only thing we have ever found that matters is the quantity of gear 11 and gear 12 characters across both guilds as a whole. If that number is close it's usually a close matchup, if there is a big difference it's a blow out.

Because bottom line is gear 10 toons don't do well against gear 11/12 toons. It's too big a gap.

For lower power guilds I would imagine the number of gear 9/10 toons would matter, but if your 100 million GP or more the number of gear 11/12 toons is literally the only thing that matters in matchmaking.

As I said above, I won't say how we come to the number, but we want to confirm that we're not calculating Active GP (which can have low impact characters).

Adding a smiley to not be so dismissive :)
Merioon_Valhoun
7 years ago
Did i understand the logic of the matchmaking wrongly?:
Does the matchmaking assign a value based on only the strongest characters a participant has? I this case, if a whale has a full roster of 145 gear 12 characters, will the strength of this player be based on only a (e.g.10%) subset of the strongest characters and ignoring the rest?
Pogo_Olorin
7 years ago
"Ely;c-1494652" wrote:
The 35 teams per territory, is that what we all just automatically get now if 50 members join?

I'm not sure what your asking. My apologies.
Pogo_Olorin
7 years ago
"Merioon_Valhoun9;c-1494655" wrote:
Did i understand the logic of the matchmaking wrongly?:
Does the matchmaking assign a value based on only the strongest characters a participant has? I this case, if a whale has a full roster of 145 gear 12 characters, will the strength of this player be based on only a (e.g.10%) subset of the strongest characters and ignoring the rest?

Unfortunately, I won't answer that question, per my FAQ above:

Q: How do you identify the strongest squads?
A: We're not going to divulge that algorithm.

Apologies, but we're trying to confirm why players see the ranges they do, not explain the algorithm itself.