Doubling relic gear requirement madness

To be fair the challenges did not double gear, they added missing core gear.

With that said the impact is generally overstated.

From scratch, there are 3 gear pieces that are probably used for scrapping.

OP is probably running out faster because

A ) they are progressing faster
B ) they dont farm the gear to scrap actively

"Tialishoma241;d-260896" wrote:
This game is near unplayable since they doubled the cost of relic materials. Why do it? Among the library full of bad decisions cg have made over the years, and this is the worst. I'm amazed it gets so little discussion

You’re about five/six/seven weeks late to the discussion party. It was discussed plenty when the announcement was made.

That’s not to say I disagree with you. Posting in The Road Ahead and expecting the player base to make an extrapolation is far from adequate. At the very least, there should have been an in-game notification, along with an explanation of the consequences of their change.

"Tellithowitis;c-2398866" wrote:
OP is 100% right and any attempt to counter this is pointless dev cheerleading. If you wanna be intellectually honest you should at the very minimum support the idea that already farmed gear pre update should have it's original value kept and only gear earned post update should be halved in value.

They essentially robbed of us a crazy amount of relic materials

Nearly every content creator and many people here on the forums were advising that people scrap their surplus before the update that contained this change. I know I mentioned it to all of my guild mates because a lot of them don't watch SWGoH content or come to the forums.

Anyone that didn't know about it before it happened was either being willfully ignorant or too far out of the loop to be impacted. If you knew about it and did nothing, that's on you, no one else - we were all given more than enough notice to take action to preserve the value of our gear stash.

I wish they hadn't done it - I need relic materials like everyone else, but stop acting like you woke up one day and suddenly the Jawa Scavenger turned into Scrooge McDuck. At best you're being dishonest with yourself, and at worst you're intentionally trying to stir up drama on the forums.

At this point it isn't about what the Devs did or didn't do - it's about what you as a player did in response to news that you had well ahead of time. If you acted appropriately, the relic value of your gear stash pre-update was preserved. If you failed to take action - that's on you. No one was robbed.

Had a stockpile before the change that I forgot to convert to relic stuff.

Now only have half a stockpile. >.<

"herd_nerfer;c-2398869" wrote:
we were all given more than enough notice to take action to preserve the value of our gear stash.

I am sorry but I have to disagree here.
We on the forums - yes, but the players in total - no.
It's a small percentage of players actively visiting the forums. The bigger part of players did not know about it (if they didn't get the information through someone visiting the forums or watch videos).

Also, it would be CG's job to inform its playerbase in an adequate fashion about changes like this, not other players. An ingame message would have been the least and not very hard to do.

"MaruMaru;c-2398878" wrote:
They should have %100 sent ingame notice a few times leading to this period. I also didn't want be forced scrap all those gear. Now I ended up getting short of haat gear that wasn't a smidge of a concern before. It was cg's responsibility to figure out a way so that people didn't get double the gear (since this is something cg doesn't want) but also retain the value of what they had without having to do anything. Neither of these things happened. And I'm rather sure that nothing like compensation or even a response about an issue they incured on some unlucky portion of the playerbase will happen. My suggestion would be to either bombard support or just come into terms with happened.

While I agree that an in game notice would have been a good idea, I disagree with everything else. CG is not obligated to do anything you seem to think, especially since they posted it in the forums. If people choose not to get or be involved, then they also give up the right to be personally notified. This mentality that CG needed to notify everyone is like saying they have to mail everyone the event calendar, or the roadmaps.

If anyone is upset they lost half of their unused relic scrap hoard, then tell them to start checking the forums so they know what is coming up.

"Tellithowitis;c-2398862" wrote:

"Sceptog;c-2398807" wrote:
The drop was ~~doubled, so should be net neutral (more or less)

And what about the hundreds of thousands of pieces we all had saved up over YEARS that instantly lost half it's value? Even with the double drops it will be years to get enough to match what we already had. And don't say that "you should have already converted" because hundreds of thousands of players have no access to forums or could have intuitively known this was about to happen

Hundreds of thousands of players have no access to the forums?

Sure.

"MaruMaru;c-2398890" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398889" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398886" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398880" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398878" wrote:
They should have %100 sent ingame notice a few times leading to this period. I also didn't want be forced scrap all those gear. Now I ended up getting short of haat gear that wasn't a smidge of a concern before. It was cg's responsibility to figure out a way so that people didn't get double the gear (since this is something cg doesn't want) but also retain the value of what they had without having to do anything. Neither of these things happened. And I'm rather sure that nothing like compensation or even a response about an issue they incured on some unlucky portion of the playerbase will happen. My suggestion would be to either bombard support or just come into terms with happened.

While I agree that an in game notice would have been a good idea, I disagree with everything else. CG is not obligated to do anything you seem to think, especially since they posted it in the forums. If people choose not to get or be involved, then they also give up the right to be personally notified. This mentality that CG needed to notify everyone is like saying they have to mail everyone the event calendar, or the roadmaps.

If anyone is upset they lost half of their unused relic scrap hoard, then tell them to start checking the forums so they know what is coming up.

Many notifications send you towards forums "to check in more detail". There doesn't need to be wall of text in game and there never is. If there is nothing such, is it really a normal expectation to check forums at random times -just in case-?

And ofc social diffusion of this information covered a good portion of the playerbase, especially the regulars. This is not akin to a calendar or road map. Those things doesn't actively do any changes to what you have. Since no such notification happened, what would you propose to the effected population being unaware due to something cg didn't do? I'm guessing "git gud" is incoming.

To your first question, yes. That’s what being involved means. You stick your head in the sand, fine, but then don’t complain you weren’t notified when it was posted. A lot of things work this way, most notably government. When they pass a new law that you are expected to obey, they don’t mail you a copy. At least not here they don’t. They post it publicly, and after that, including in court proceedings, it is your responsibility to be aware of it.

To your second question, see above. Guildmates can spread the word, or people can get involved at least reading the forums. And, as I stated before, it would have been a good move to do an in game mail, but it’s not CGs fault if they made the information publicly available ahead of time and a group (whatever size) chose to skip it. Definitely not a compensation thing or even a screw up on CG’s part.

Let's not hyperbole to irrelevant things. Being involved or in this case you actually mean being a regular or a forumer shouldn't be a requirement to properly play a mobile game, being a casual doesn't mean that you are now open hunt season and it's all on you. It needed to be posted as an ingame notification which directs to the forums for further details. Didn't happen. End of story.

Naturally you are aware I can't possibly be someone that's effected not knowing about it.

Yes, but that doesn’t change the fact that if people want to know about changes like this, all they have to do is hit mail, then forums, and read.

Could CG have done more? Yes. Was CG required to do more? No. So no compensation, and IMO blame goes to the accounts with their head in the sand over CG.

"nfidel2k;c-2398891" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398890" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398889" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398886" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398880" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398878" wrote:
They should have %100 sent ingame notice a few times leading to this period. I also didn't want be forced scrap all those gear. Now I ended up getting short of haat gear that wasn't a smidge of a concern before. It was cg's responsibility to figure out a way so that people didn't get double the gear (since this is something cg doesn't want) but also retain the value of what they had without having to do anything. Neither of these things happened. And I'm rather sure that nothing like compensation or even a response about an issue they incured on some unlucky portion of the playerbase will happen. My suggestion would be to either bombard support or just come into terms with happened.

While I agree that an in game notice would have been a good idea, I disagree with everything else. CG is not obligated to do anything you seem to think, especially since they posted it in the forums. If people choose not to get or be involved, then they also give up the right to be personally notified. This mentality that CG needed to notify everyone is like saying they have to mail everyone the event calendar, or the roadmaps.

If anyone is upset they lost half of their unused relic scrap hoard, then tell them to start checking the forums so they know what is coming up.

Many notifications send you towards forums "to check in more detail". There doesn't need to be wall of text in game and there never is. If there is nothing such, is it really a normal expectation to check forums at random times -just in case-?

And ofc social diffusion of this information covered a good portion of the playerbase, especially the regulars. This is not akin to a calendar or road map. Those things doesn't actively do any changes to what you have. Since no such notification happened, what would you propose to the effected population being unaware due to something cg didn't do? I'm guessing "git gud" is incoming.

To your first question, yes. That’s what being involved means. You stick your head in the sand, fine, but then don’t complain you weren’t notified when it was posted. A lot of things work this way, most notably government. When they pass a new law that you are expected to obey, they don’t mail you a copy. At least not here they don’t. They post it publicly, and after that, including in court proceedings, it is your responsibility to be aware of it.

To your second question, see above. Guildmates can spread the word, or people can get involved at least reading the forums. And, as I stated before, it would have been a good move to do an in game mail, but it’s not CGs fault if they made the information publicly available ahead of time and a group (whatever size) chose to skip it. Definitely not a compensation thing or even a screw up on CG’s part.

Let's not hyperbole to irrelevant things. Being involved or in this case you actually mean being a regular or a forumer shouldn't be a requirement to properly play a mobile game, being a casual doesn't mean that you are now open hunt season and it's all on you. It needed to be posted as an ingame notification which directs to the forums for further details. Didn't happen. End of story.

Naturally you are aware I can't possibly be someone that's effected not knowing about it.

Yes, but that doesn’t change the fact that if people want to know about changes like this, all they have to do is hit mail, then forums, and read.

Could CG have done more? Yes. Was CG required to do more? No. So no compensation, and IMO blame goes to the accounts with their head in the sand over CG.

I think yours is an odd point. CG decided to make a notable change to gear but as far as you're concerned they had no obligation to notify people in game. And yet there is an in-game messaging system that CG uses for other things.

Clearly CG had no such requirement to do so, I don't that is being argued. But I think a fair argument can be made that they should have done so.