Draw in Guild Wars

Let's please get back on track here folks and quit it with the dismissal of other folks opinions/points

New suggestion:

If there's a draw, your remaining characters are retreated like in the Raids and you can use them again at the health they retreated with. So getting a draw with 5 guys remaining vs 1 of theirs, mean you can go back in and finish them off cause you clearly had the upper hand. BUT you lose the first time attack bonus.

Or if you draw with only 1 guy remaining you can use that character on a different team but at their health level.

Saying if you can't win in 5 minutes you don't deserve the win is a flawed idea, the game constantly changes with complex strategies and real life time is an immeasurable factor in "victory". If I think too long about my moves or somebody asks me a question while I'm in a match may drain the time I have to win. If those variables were different my team could've easily won. So it's not that if my team can't win in 5 minutes I don't deserve it, It may be that my team CAN win in 5 minutes but something else got in the way of giving me that chance to win. Which I understand is not the game's problem but it is our problem as players.

A very minor one.

"Tanzos;c-1652495" wrote:
New suggestion:

If there's a draw, your remaining characters are retreated like in the Raids and you can use them again at the health they retreated with. So getting a draw with 5 guys remaining vs 1 of theirs, mean you can go back in and finish them off cause you clearly had the upper hand. BUT you lose the first time attack bonus.

Or if you draw with only 1 guy remaining you can use that character on a different team but at their health level.

Saying if you can't win in 5 minutes you don't deserve the win is a flawed idea, the game constantly changes with complex strategies and real life time is an immeasurable factor in "victory". If I think too long about my moves or somebody asks me a question while I'm in a match may drain the time I have to win. If those variables were different my team could've easily won. So it's not that if my team can't win in 5 minutes I don't deserve it, It may be that my team CAN win in 5 minutes but something else got in the way of giving me that chance to win. Which I understand is not the game's problem but it is our problem as players.

A very minor one.

This is part of the point you are missing OP. You make no reference to the "attempts" in your description of the solutions.

Attempts are how points are derived when you win, from your posts it sounds like you want a full reset with no accounting for attempts. This is why much of your solutions seem ill conceived and show a possible lack of understanding of the game mechanics.

Many of the issues like this arrive from players over committing on defense and not leaving themselves viable counter teams to what they are going to face, or not having good mod setups on teams they are going to lose. This will leave you in a situation where the draw is more likely.

Every team can be beaten in 5 mins, you may not have the right team to counter them but that doesnt change this fact.

"Tanzos;c-1652495" wrote:
New suggestion:

If there's a draw, your remaining characters are retreated like in the Raids and you can use them again at the health they retreated with. So getting a draw with 5 guys remaining vs 1 of theirs, mean you can go back in and finish them off cause you clearly had the upper hand. BUT you lose the first time attack bonus.

Or if you draw with only 1 guy remaining you can use that character on a different team but at their health level.

Saying if you can't win in 5 minutes you don't deserve the win is a flawed idea, the game constantly changes with complex strategies and real life time is an immeasurable factor in "victory". If I think too long about my moves or somebody asks me a question while I'm in a match may drain the time I have to win. If those variables were different my team could've easily won. So it's not that if my team can't win in 5 minutes I don't deserve it, It may be that my team CAN win in 5 minutes but something else got in the way of giving me that chance to win. Which I understand is not the game's problem but it is our problem as players.

A very minor one.

How about:
If the defending teams holds its ground for 5 minutes, it reaches its objective and hence is considered the victor?

And also:
If the attacking team wins, it may be that the defending team COULD have won, but something else got in the way of giving it the chance to win.

As it is now, you can use one team to soften up the opponent before you go in with another team to finish it up. F.ex. you can attack with a team with IPD and some secondary characters, that can protect it until it blows up Traya. With your suggestions the remaining characters can retreat after Traya was blown up, and then they can be used in another similar attack. It's better than the original suggestion, but still:

If the attacker is allowed to retreat with its remaining characters, fill the team up to a full team of 5, and then attack again, how is that fair towards the defender, who cannot do the same? Defending teams are fixed once assigned for defense. Defenders can't reinforce in the same way. It gives an unfair advantage to the attacker.

"Waqui;c-1652571" wrote:

"Tanzos;c-1652495" wrote:
New suggestion:

If there's a draw, your remaining characters are retreated like in the Raids and you can use them again at the health they retreated with. So getting a draw with 5 guys remaining vs 1 of theirs, mean you can go back in and finish them off cause you clearly had the upper hand. BUT you lose the first time attack bonus.

Or if you draw with only 1 guy remaining you can use that character on a different team but at their health level.

Saying if you can't win in 5 minutes you don't deserve the win is a flawed idea, the game constantly changes with complex strategies and real life time is an immeasurable factor in "victory". If I think too long about my moves or somebody asks me a question while I'm in a match may drain the time I have to win. If those variables were different my team could've easily won. So it's not that if my team can't win in 5 minutes I don't deserve it, It may be that my team CAN win in 5 minutes but something else got in the way of giving me that chance to win. Which I understand is not the game's problem but it is our problem as players.

A very minor one.

How about:
If the defending teams holds its ground for 5 minutes, it reaches its objective and hence is considered the victor?

And also:
If the attacking team wins, it may be that the defending team COULD have won, but something else got in the way of giving it the chance to win.

As it is now, you can use one team to soften up the opponent before you go in with another team to finish it up. F.ex. you can attack with a team with IPD and some secondary characters, that can protect it until it blows up Traya. With your suggestions the remaining characters can retreat after Traya was blown up, and then they can be used in another similar attack. It's better than the original suggestion, but still:

If the attacker is allowed to retreat with its remaining characters, fill the team up to a full team of 5, and then attack again, how is that fair towards the defender, who cannot do the same? Defending teams are fixed once assigned for defense. Defenders can't reinforce in the same way. It gives an unfair advantage to the attacker.

In my suggestion, the attacker can't retreat. Only when they draw do their alive characters come back, like Hermit Yoda in the raid specifically, with reduced health and 0 turn meter.

I also realize that it may cause a weird tactic of not taking a turn to draw if you mess up in the beginning to get all your characters back. But it would still feed turn meter to the defenders and lose the first attack bonus. Either way, it doesn't create a much of disadvantage to the defenders, but gives the offense a chance to use the characters that survived in these extremely rare scenarios.

"Tanzos;c-1652597" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1652571" wrote:

"Tanzos;c-1652495" wrote:
New suggestion:

If there's a draw, your remaining characters are retreated like in the Raids and you can use them again at the health they retreated with. So getting a draw with 5 guys remaining vs 1 of theirs, mean you can go back in and finish them off cause you clearly had the upper hand. BUT you lose the first time attack bonus.

Or if you draw with only 1 guy remaining you can use that character on a different team but at their health level.

Saying if you can't win in 5 minutes you don't deserve the win is a flawed idea, the game constantly changes with complex strategies and real life time is an immeasurable factor in "victory". If I think too long about my moves or somebody asks me a question while I'm in a match may drain the time I have to win. If those variables were different my team could've easily won. So it's not that if my team can't win in 5 minutes I don't deserve it, It may be that my team CAN win in 5 minutes but something else got in the way of giving me that chance to win. Which I understand is not the game's problem but it is our problem as players.

A very minor one.

How about:
If the defending teams holds its ground for 5 minutes, it reaches its objective and hence is considered the victor?

And also:
If the attacking team wins, it may be that the defending team COULD have won, but something else got in the way of giving it the chance to win.

As it is now, you can use one team to soften up the opponent before you go in with another team to finish it up. F.ex. you can attack with a team with IPD and some secondary characters, that can protect it until it blows up Traya. With your suggestions the remaining characters can retreat after Traya was blown up, and then they can be used in another similar attack. It's better than the original suggestion, but still:

If the attacker is allowed to retreat with its remaining characters, fill the team up to a full team of 5, and then attack again, how is that fair towards the defender, who cannot do the same? Defending teams are fixed once assigned for defense. Defenders can't reinforce in the same way. It gives an unfair advantage to the attacker.

In my suggestion, the attacker can't retreat. Only when they draw do their alive characters come back, like Hermit Yoda in the raid specifically, with reduced health and 0 turn meter.

I also realize that it may cause a weird tactic of not taking a turn to draw if you mess up in the beginning to get all your characters back. But it would still feed turn meter to the defenders and lose the first attack bonud. Either way, it doesn't create a much of disadvantage to the defenders, but gives the offense a chance to use the characters that survived in these extremely rare scenarios.

TW is a competition of battles, any chance to use the same toons multiple times is a pretty big advantage.

The strategy is to use teams that hold well on defense and balance that with making good counter teams, if I can use the same 5 toons to bring down 1 opponent from multiple teams and let someone or go back in myself and take down the rest with a weaker team, that kinda defeats the purpose.

If i go in and mess up, i lose the battle and my team, that's the price i pay. It seems fitting.

I also just realized that you could easily exploit teams by using a strong team and not finishing the fight on purpose, have them retreat and send in a terrible squad to finish them off . You lose the first attack but gain your super squad back... so... I take it all back.

Nevermind.

OP: It's fine the way it is, just deal with it when it happens unfortunately. Sorry

Here, the participants begin to offer different versions. That's correct.

You know, even if you just call a "Draw" a "Defeat" after the fight - it would be more correct. It's up to the developers to decide, I just suggest choosing the options for an easier, and faster solution.

I think the problem may just be in the word 'draw'. Insyead of a draw, call it a defeat, or mayve toss in a traya enrage at 5mins? All attackers get buff/heal immunity and do insane damage if your attackers last that long enough to do extra damage more power to you. The downside to an enrage is it could give a talzin zeta on d a shot at multiple revives in the 'overtime'