Executor is a beast? [MERGE]

"Kyno;c-2287065" wrote:
Scimitar is an interesting choice for that lineup. Are we sure there is not a better lineup that could work?

Translation: Who that can afford to whale Executor to 7* is dumb enough to put Scimitar as a reinforce? Executor has ZERO Sith synergy.

"TVF;c-2287083" wrote:

"WD_40;c-2287081" wrote:
It's entirely possible that it's an offensive powerhouse and easily beatable on defense. Like SEE, the FO fleet, Imperial Troopers, etc.

If that's the case I'd be ecstatic and give CG a hesitant thumbs up. People were super worried about never being able to beat it, so if they can beat it with various different fleets, that could be a good thing. A lot of people hate fleets, so if there is a way to easily win on offense, but that same way doesn't just crush people on defense, I'd call it a win-win. But, it is still early, we'll have to wait and see.

Hard disagree, at this cost I want something that is only reliably beat in a mirror. I already can beat everything with Mal.

I can understand that, but a whole lot of people were talking about how this would break ships, and the mirror meta was a genuine concern. If you give people a way to basically beat any fleet on offense, it eases the minds of those who absolutely loathe fleets. I know the easier solution is to just invest in and get better at fleets, but that's been the solution since fleets came out and the complaint (valid or not) hasn't gone away. Perhaps it's a way to get people more interested in the fleets game mode, if you give them an easier offensive win at a high price, but then don't just kill the people who can't/don't get executor off the bat when it's on defense.

That Finalizer lineup can beat several other fleets, including Negotiator and Malevolence. Not sure it quite qualifies as garbage, but I also think that a better Executor lineup would crush it.

Executor is basically a GL (or demi GL) fleet with it's steep requirements and should therefor be an absolute beast.

IMO it should be like:

Executor should NOT be beaten by ANY Malevolence (which usually consists of 2 non-pilot ships and g12-13 SF and Spy, maybe HT as emergency RI) - basically a low-investment fleet.

Executor should NOT be beaten by all the other lower tier fleets (Rebels, Finalizer, Empire, Raddus, Mace).

Executor CAN be beaten by Negotiator if it's a pretty much maxed out Nego AND the win rate with the ideal lineup and gameplay is like 50% at best (preferably around 25-33%).

Executor at 7 stars CAN be beaten by Executor at lower stars if the win rate is like ~75% at best.



Currently it's defensive peformance does not pay tribute to our investment.

Teams that are beasts on offense but poor in defense makes the most “fun” gameplay in my opinion. Now I don’t feel so bad about the delayed conquest costing me a day 1 unlock of the executor.

Pointing out Scimitar's lack of synergy with Executor while ignoring that the FO fleet that beat it used GR and Empire reinforcements... lol.

"HumbleMumble;c-2287099" wrote:
Teams that are beasts on offense but poor in defense makes the most “fun” gameplay in my opinion. Now I don’t feel so bad about the delayed conquest costing me a day 1 unlock of the executor.

Agreed! Some of the most satisfying things in the game (IMO) are Imperial Troopers, or SEE, who both are absolutely terrible on defense. CG Miller said that the fleet couldn't just be used to Auto things in his interview with CubsfanHan, that you had to have some knowledge on its kit and make a choice for the "contract" or the Ultimate. The AI in this game is notorious for being bad in general, why should this be different?

"Legend91;c-2287098" wrote:
Executor is basically a GL (or demi GL) fleet with it's steep requirements and should therefor be an absolute beast.

IMO it should be like:

Executor should NOT be beaten by ANY Malevolence (which usually consists of 2 non-pilot ships and g12-13 SF and Spy, maybe HT as emergency RI) - basically a low-investment fleet.

Executor should NOT be beaten by all the other lower tier fleets (Rebels, Finalizer, Empire, Raddus, Mace).

Executor CAN be beaten by Negotiator if it's a pretty much maxed out Nego AND the win rate with the ideal lineup and gameplay is like 50% at best (preferably around 25-33%).

Executor at 7 stars CAN be beaten by Executor at lower stars if the win rate is like ~75% at best.



Currently it's defensive peformance does not pay tribute to our investment.

Lol they never did and it's about time you all learn this power.

Well, it could be better to balance new "meta" fleet as JKR time ago: very hard to impossible to beat at start - then give (for example) GR new ship (=BSF back days) that makes it easier (not 100%). I'm not sure this VERY beatable new flagship is a good return on investments given all the hype from devs, that's kinda a shame on them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLkGD4Us9Zw