Executor is a beast? [MERGE]

"WD_40;c-2287081" wrote:
It's entirely possible that it's an offensive powerhouse and easily beatable on defense. Like SEE, the FO fleet, Imperial Troopers, etc.

If that's the case I'd be ecstatic and give CG a hesitant thumbs up. People were super worried about never being able to beat it, so if they can beat it with various different fleets, that could be a good thing. A lot of people hate fleets, so if there is a way to easily win on offense, but that same way doesn't just crush people on defense, I'd call it a win-win. But, it is still early, we'll have to wait and see.

CG specifically implied that you'd be lucky to be able to beat it with a Negotiator fleet, so if it's crap on Defence that's kinda the opposite of what they led players to believe!

"WD_40;c-2287102" wrote:

"HumbleMumble;c-2287099" wrote:
Teams that are beasts on offense but poor in defense makes the most “fun” gameplay in my opinion. Now I don’t feel so bad about the delayed conquest costing me a day 1 unlock of the executor.

Agreed! Some of the most satisfying things in the game (IMO) are Imperial Troopers, or SEE, who both are absolutely terrible on defense. CG Miller said that the fleet couldn't just be used to Auto things in his interview with CubsfanHan, that you had to have some knowledge on its kit and make a choice for the "contract" or the Ultimate. The AI in this game is notorious for being bad in general, why should this be different?

If an existing fleet with far lower investment is already able to beat every fleet out there on offense, a new fleet with steeper that is able to do the same thing is useless. I don’t see any reason (except collection) to spend resources on a ship when you could spend less for the same results.

"HumbleMumble;c-2287171" wrote:
There’s also a chance/risk that CG are releasing another bounty hunter ship that will make executor harder on defense. Dengar perhaps?

"StealthGOBLIN32;c-2287170" wrote:
Dengar may get a ship, they may change the AI, there may be a better lineup, they may change an ability, and it could get a stat boost. Give it a couple weeks and then we can complain again.

But folks, that's not how it was presented leading up to this release. Yes, it has been alluded that more ships are coming; but this capital ship has been in the works for quite a while - 2 years or so - based on the interview. That's plenty of time to hammer out things. The fact that I payed no small sum to prepare and unlock this thing based on the vibe I got from the developers themselves, that's what really bothers me. I just feel so taken right now.

"AngelVazzana;c-2287119" wrote:
Multiple teams are beating this on defense already. Cubs just put out a video on it. Rebels, Hux, GG all beat it fairly easily. @CG_Doja_Fett_MINI …. I thought this ship was supposed to be the best? I remember you or Crumb even saying something like good luck when a player asked about beating it with one of the current Capital Fleets. People have invested a lot of money into this to unlock it to 7* day one and already are getting owned on defense by F2P ships. You all built this up as a must have what gives my friend?

Either it's not working as intended or it's the ultimate proof that CG don't have anyone at all capable of going through even the most basic set of tests to see if what they're releasing matches up to what they 'say' they're releasing!

"Starslayer;c-2287179" wrote:

"WD_40;c-2287102" wrote:

"HumbleMumble;c-2287099" wrote:
Teams that are beasts on offense but poor in defense makes the most “fun” gameplay in my opinion. Now I don’t feel so bad about the delayed conquest costing me a day 1 unlock of the executor.

Agreed! Some of the most satisfying things in the game (IMO) are Imperial Troopers, or SEE, who both are absolutely terrible on defense. CG Miller said that the fleet couldn't just be used to Auto things in his interview with CubsfanHan, that you had to have some knowledge on its kit and make a choice for the "contract" or the Ultimate. The AI in this game is notorious for being bad in general, why should this be different?

If an existing fleet with far lower investment is already able to beat every fleet out there on offense, a new fleet with steeper that is able to do the same thing is useless. I don’t see any reason (except collection) to spend resources on a ship when you could spend less for the same results.

That's absolutely understandable, but I still think there's another bh ship on the horizon, so maybe this isn't the best this fleet can possibly be. Also, if executor makes it even easier to beat Negotiator/Malev, then that could be a reason, make the difficulty of beating those ships drop with higher investment

"xGriiMErZ;c-2287146" wrote:

"TVF;c-2287139" wrote:

"xGriiMErZ;c-2287138" wrote:

"SurvivorM;c-2287137" wrote:
Restricting any assists vs Executor except mirrors is the way to fix most of it fast )

Why can't it just be a beast on offence and suck of defence?

It already beats all fleets, thats powerful enough, I get it, whales wanna hold their #1 and not play the game, all day every day (Not that they need it, when they can just by everything, 400 crystals, chump change to them).

Because we already have Neg and Mal.

In other words, didn't really need a new cap ship.

Just another ship like Falcon to change things up.

FO and Res, Sith don't have a real fleet. 2 GR ships, 2 empire ships (3 if you count this one). Could of done something with any of them, but no, money

You forgot bounty hunters. They don’t have a real fleet. Oh, wait…

"Beeblebrox;c-2287184" wrote:

"AngelVazzana;c-2287119" wrote:
Multiple teams are beating this on defense already. Cubs just put out a video on it. Rebels, Hux, GG all beat it fairly easily. @CG_Doja_Fett_MINI …. I thought this ship was supposed to be the best? I remember you or Crumb even saying something like good luck when a player asked about beating it with one of the current Capital Fleets. People have invested a lot of money into this to unlock it to 7* day one and already are getting owned on defense by F2P ships. You all built this up as a must have what gives my friend?

Either it's not working as intended or it's the ultimate proof that CG don't have anyone at all capable of going through even the most basic set of tests to see if what they're releasing matches up to what they 'say' they're releasing!

But he didn't say it's gonna be HARD to beat, tbh. Just wished luck))

"xGriiMErZ;c-2287151" wrote:

So beating all fleets on defence isn't good?

Male and nego already did that.

Most likely being able to under-man GAC fleets with it isn't good?

With the relics you’ve put on meh bh characters (and r8 piett), you’ll face opponents who relic’d great characters instead. Your 4 more pts for under-man won’t make up for that.

Being a powerhouse isn't enough?

Define powerhouse. If this ship beat the same fleets nego and male did, they’re powerhouses as well.

No one made you spend, thats a you issue

‘Top of the meta’ that was clearly announced means something. She should be better that the top teams already there. Not unbeatable, but harder to beat. If old meta is able to beat her reliably, then executor is not top of the meta. Well, we could always argue that ‘top of the meta’ could mean ‘at the top with the old meta’, but it would be pretty deceptive.

In worst scenario it's not quite new meta (yet), but new era of requirements for new (not even meta) content.

"Barik_Edo;c-2287100" wrote:
Pointing out Scimitar's lack of synergy with Executor while ignoring that the FO fleet that beat it used GR and Empire reinforcements... lol.

Yarp. 2 incomplete fleets are gonna have to do that. Scimitar kinda makes sense anyway stealthing so you can only target ht.