Forgotten Characters?

"CadoaBane;c-2167795" wrote:
You have forgotten Cad Bane, the only bounty hunter in the game without a zeta - even though he once got a little touch-up, it was not enough. Even worse maybe because back then they removed his "Jedi hunter" lead ability. It wasn't strong, but it was meant true to lore at least.

He doesn’t have any abilities that are at 7. They’re all maxed at omegas, only reason he was left off the list. I’d love for him to get a rework though!!!

"Kyno;c-2167909" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-2167894" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2167811" wrote:
Is anyone else surprised that this list is that short?

Or that so many of those toons are still kind of useful, and at least lowB-C grade toons

I’m surprised you think many of these toons are useful. Outside of pilots being useful for their ships, I’m struggling to get passed the Rebel Fighters. Remove Mon Mothma from the game, and maybe I could see chirrut and baze still being useful...maybe.

Pilots are very useful.

Jawa are useful.

Most of the jedi listed can be used as subs in jedi teams, or even more recently make a solid team with JKL.

Talia and Bistan are solid toons.

Not sure why you would remove MM from the game, since ya know she is part of the game and brings together a useful team.

That's more than 50% of the list.

I'm not saying any of them are great, but since there are times where gearing a toon for a secondary use (pilot, or just for an event), I will try to work them into some extra benefit too,and that can work in the case of a fair amount of that list.

I’m not disagreeing that pilots are useful, but you said that the toon was useful and I disagree with that. You can make a new toon pilot named Black Box with 4 abilities that can be leveled to 7 which all say “do nothing,” and it would be almost as useful as a Bistan.

I’ll give you Jawas.

For Jedi, would you gear any of those Jedi if you hadn’t done so a long time ago? Plo Koon for instance, isn’t terrible, but he’s kind of like the Jedi version of Phasma with a better basic ability. His best ability is to give everyone else some turn meter.

For Talia, maybe but I don’t use her and don’t feel like I’m missing out. For Bistan, I’ve had him at g12 for 2 years now and have tried him in many different rebel lineups. Before Mon Mothma, he wasn’t worth having at g12 outside of being a pilot. Now, I’d like to switch his gear with Pao or a better rebel Fighter, but I’m not going to start a side project for that.

The comment about Mon Mothma was that she made that garbage Rebel Fighter toons worth gearing. On their own, though, they aren’t worth much.

Saying that a toon is useful because they’re used for an event is the same as saying Rose or Phasma are useful because they’re gating a GL. We can debate the definition of “useful,” but I think that providing access to an event does not exactly make a toon useful. Or at least that’s not the use I want to get out of toons I gear.

“Missing”

"Scuttlebutt;c-2168000" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2167909" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-2167894" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2167811" wrote:
Is anyone else surprised that this list is that short?

Or that so many of those toons are still kind of useful, and at least lowB-C grade toons

I’m surprised you think many of these toons are useful. Outside of pilots being useful for their ships, I’m struggling to get passed the Rebel Fighters. Remove Mon Mothma from the game, and maybe I could see chirrut and baze still being useful...maybe.

Pilots are very useful.

Jawa are useful.

Most of the jedi listed can be used as subs in jedi teams, or even more recently make a solid team with JKL.

Talia and Bistan are solid toons.

Not sure why you would remove MM from the game, since ya know she is part of the game and brings together a useful team.

That's more than 50% of the list.

I'm not saying any of them are great, but since there are times where gearing a toon for a secondary use (pilot, or just for an event), I will try to work them into some extra benefit too,and that can work in the case of a fair amount of that list.

I’m not disagreeing that pilots are useful, but you said that the toon was useful and I disagree with that. You can make a new toon pilot named Black Box with 4 abilities that can be leveled to 7 which all say “do nothing,” and it would be almost as useful as a Bistan.

I guess we can agree to disagree, but ships don't function as well without the pilot having gear, which would seem to make them useful to have.

"Scuttlebutt;c-2168000" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2167909" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-2167894" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2167811" wrote:
Is anyone else surprised that this list is that short?

Or that so many of those toons are still kind of useful, and at least lowB-C grade toons

I’m surprised you think many of these toons are useful. Outside of pilots being useful for their ships, I’m struggling to get passed the Rebel Fighters. Remove Mon Mothma from the game, and maybe I could see chirrut and baze still being useful...maybe.

Pilots are very useful.

Jawa are useful.

Most of the jedi listed can be used as subs in jedi teams, or even more recently make a solid team with JKL.

Talia and Bistan are solid toons.

Not sure why you would remove MM from the game, since ya know she is part of the game and brings together a useful team.

That's more than 50% of the list.

I'm not saying any of them are great, but since there are times where gearing a toon for a secondary use (pilot, or just for an event), I will try to work them into some extra benefit too,and that can work in the case of a fair amount of that list.

For Jedi, would you gear any of those Jedi if you hadn’t done so a long time ago? Plo Koon for instance, isn’t terrible, but he’s kind of like the Jedi version of Phasma with a better basic ability. His best ability is to give everyone else some turn meter.

Yes. Aayla and Plo Koon are family solid.

"Scuttlebutt;c-2168000" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2167909" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-2167894" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2167811" wrote:
Is anyone else surprised that this list is that short?

Or that so many of those toons are still kind of useful, and at least lowB-C grade toons

I’m surprised you think many of these toons are useful. Outside of pilots being useful for their ships, I’m struggling to get passed the Rebel Fighters. Remove Mon Mothma from the game, and maybe I could see chirrut and baze still being useful...maybe.

Pilots are very useful.

Jawa are useful.

Most of the jedi listed can be used as subs in jedi teams, or even more recently make a solid team with JKL.

Talia and Bistan are solid toons.

Not sure why you would remove MM from the game, since ya know she is part of the game and brings together a useful team.

That's more than 50% of the list.

I'm not saying any of them are great, but since there are times where gearing a toon for a secondary use (pilot, or just for an event), I will try to work them into some extra benefit too,and that can work in the case of a fair amount of that list.

For Talia, maybe but I don’t use her and don’t feel like I’m missing out. For Bistan, I’ve had him at g12 for 2 years now and have tried him in many different rebel lineups. Before Mon Mothma, he wasn’t worth having at g12 outside of being a pilot. Now, I’d like to switch his gear with Pao or a better rebel Fighter, but I’m not going to start a side project for that.

I am in the same boat with Talia, but many seem to love her and consider her key in PvE modes where NS are used.

"Scuttlebutt;c-2168000" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2167909" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-2167894" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2167811" wrote:
Is anyone else surprised that this list is that short?

Or that so many of those toons are still kind of useful, and at least lowB-C grade toons

I’m surprised you think many of these toons are useful. Outside of pilots being useful for their ships, I’m struggling to get passed the Rebel Fighters. Remove Mon Mothma from the game, and maybe I could see chirrut and baze still being useful...maybe.

Pilots are very useful.

Jawa are useful.

Most of the jedi listed can be used as subs in jedi teams, or even more recently make a solid team with JKL.

Talia and Bistan are solid toons.

Not sure why you would remove MM from the game, since ya know she is part of the game and brings together a useful team.

That's more than 50% of the list.

I'm not saying any of them are great, but since there are times where gearing a toon for a secondary use (pilot, or just for an event), I will try to work them into some extra benefit too,and that can work in the case of a fair amount of that list.

The comment about Mon Mothma was that she made that garbage Rebel Fighter toons worth gearing. On their own, though, they aren’t worth much.

Saying that a toon is useful because they’re used for an event is the same as saying Rose or Phasma are useful because they’re gating a GL. We can debate the definition of “useful,” but I think that providing access to an event does not exactly make a toon useful. Or at least that’s not the use I want to get out of toons I gear.

I understand what you are saying, but we are past that point, she is in the game, and therefore brings up those toons to a useful level.

I'm not sure what game you are playing if providing access to an event is not part of a characters usefulness.

If they are "worth putting gear on" for anything other than "I wanted to" then there must be some level of usefulness. I agree that it's a weird definition, but we are talking about a game. At some level toons brought up to 7* for platoons are serving a use.

I'm not saying they are great or anything, just saying that more than half of them serve a purpose and a few on multiple levels. That is surprising considering they have not seen any love at all since they came out.

"Kyno;c-2168011" wrote:


I am in the same boat with Talia, but many seem to love her and consider her key in PvE modes where NS are used.

She's there for her cleanse.

there's no way I would put a bunch of resources in loltalia just to pass another level of AB

"Kyno;c-2167811" wrote:
Is anyone else surprised that this list is that short?

It’s Probably that short because it’s not a complete list. Chopper is one example. Guessing there are a lot more.

Edit: op obviously means characters that have neither an omega nor zeta, my bad. Chopper has an omega but no zeta. I guess cup, mob enforcer et al are similar.

I do use Talia in my NS lineup as she provides a very tactical component - TM gain, debuff cleanse, selfheal + group heal and Stagger. This is a pretty versatile kit but most people just don't know how to use it to it's full effectivity.

Resistance Pilot is a permanent member of my JTR squad to counter FO unless they have Hux. My team is not even full G12, i only have one zeta on JTR and yet i'm able to conquer some full relic enemies.

To top this i lately started gearing my Jawas a bit to counter MoM in GAC the easy way.

If you really want you can find a use for almost every toon in that list.

"LordGrahck;c-2168098" wrote:
I use CUP on my Padme team. I have him modded for high potency and his stun on basic combined with Padme's courage mechanic really helps him do work. I also use Mace with zBastila, GMY, Shaak Ti, and zBarris. He autotaunts at the start and Shaak Ti keeps him taunting while GMY and Bastila keep him buffed and Barriss takes care of the crits. It's a silly team I put together on a dare from a guild mate to make Mace useful.

These creative ideas are why I still enjoy this forum from time to time. I never would've considered cup w padme , and the jedi team sounds like something cool to try out. @LordGrahck What was the lead?

If the argument is that these characters would benefit from a rework, I totally agree. If the argument is that they need rare mats (omega, zeta) to somehow be useful, you can crawl back into your troll hole. This game has too many farming grinds already. It’s nice to have some core characters that can are easily obtained and geared to fill holes and build b-teams.